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The Guardian: Impenetrable Support Tank

Discussion in 'Brawler' started by Agidnis, Oct 19, 2016.

  1. Agidnis

    Agidnis Well-Known Member

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    First and foremost, I would like to give thanks and credit to @Precaria since this build is based from his Infinite Mana Tank


    The Guardian

    The Guardian is a tank build that provides impressive Support and Tanking Capabilities. This build utilizes the Guardian skill to promptly Steal and Hold Aggro with little effort even against 2H spammers, while giving the party decent Buffs at the same time.

    Stats:
    VIT is the primary stat. It Increases your Max HP, Sanctuary will be more effective the higher your HP is
    MTL will be added after maxing out VIT. It increases your resistance
    AGI endgame stats will utilize AGI for increased dodge and ASPD

    Skills:

    Skills in red will be maxed out first
    Skills in blue are optional skills

    Martial

    Smash 5
    Bash 5
    Shell Break 10
    Heavy Smash 1
    Sonic Wave 5
    Earthbind 1

    Shot
    Shot Mastery 5
    Long Range 5

    Quick Draw 10

    Shield
    Shield Mastery 5
    Shield Bash 5

    Force Shield 1-10
    Magical Shield 1-10

    Shield Cannon 10
    Protection 10
    Aegis 10
    Guardian 10


    Refrain from adding Guard Strike. There is a bug with this skill
    that makes Save and Consec fail to work when it activates

    Support
    Mini Heal 5
    Recovery 5

    Sanctuary 10

    Guard
    Heavy Armor Mastery 10

    You can choose Light Armor Mastery if you prefer Evading
    than Guarding. It really depends on your playstyle

    Knight
    Assault Attack 5
    Parry 1

    Provoke 1-10

    Provoke is optional. You will rarely or never even use this
    since the Guardian skill will always take hold of the Aggro

    Priest
    Holy Fist 1


    Combos:

    Aggro Holder Combo (Combo 1)

    Sonic Wave > Guardian (save) > Assault Attack (swift) > Sanctuary (swift) > Shield Bash (swift)
    100 MP


    Sonic Wave Tumbles the target giving you time to cast Guardian at a safe distance, reposition yourself and initiate Assault Attack and cast Sanctuary
    Switch Sonic Wave with Holy Fist and Shield Bash with Earthbind for delicate bosses

    Stun + Resistance Buff Combo (Combo 2)

    Assault Attack > Shell Break (save) > Shield Cannon (swift) > Protection/Aegis (swift)
    100 MP

    if the Boss mainly deals Physical Damage set it to Protection, if it does Magical Damage set it to Aegis.
    If it deals both type of Damage activate both buffs
    Level 10 Protection gives you +50% Physical Resistance And -25% Magical Resistance
    Level 10 Aegis gives you +50% Magical Resistance and -25% Physical Resistance
    Activating Both skills gives you +25% Physical and Magical Resistance and cancels the debuff

    Aggro Stealer + Lethargy Debuff Combo (Combo 3)

    Smash > Heavy Smash (save) > Shell Break (swift) > Sonic Wave (swift)
    100 MP

    Use this combo after the Aggro Holder Combo in situations that you were not able to take hold of the aggro (e.g. party members attacked the boss first)
    Switch Smash with Earthbind and Sonic Wave with Assault Attack for delicate bosses
    Lethargy reduces the enemy's damage by 25%

    Alternate between the three combos. My usual playstyle is
    Combo 1 > Combo 2 > move away from boss > Combo 1 > Combo 3


    Gear:

    Main Weapon:
    Drills - Excavated Golem (for increased Guard Rate)

    Sub Weapon:
    Black Shield of Delusion +E (for increased Guard Rate)
    Marble Shield +E - Boss Drop (for increased Aggro)

    Armor:

    Player Crafted Arm + E ; VIT +7%,VIT +7%, MaxHP +7%, VIT +10/Aggro +10% - Arcoiris
    Brigandine + E for Non-Light/Dark Type Bosses

    Additional Gear:

    Nurethoth Mask +E - Minotaur (for increased HP) / BB Gob (for increased Aggro)

    Special Gear:
    Magician's Ring -
    Stone Mercenary (for increased Guard Rate)


    Buffs and Potions:
    Ginko Nut Rice (event item): Physical and Magical Resistance +25% for 15 min
    Shock Absorbing Cream: Guard Rate +7%, Guard Power +7% & VIT +7 for 30 min
    Stab-Proof Sheet: Physical Resistance +5% for 30 min
    Magic Barrier Wand: Magic Resistance +5% for 30 min
    Vita Plus III: MaxHP +1500 for 30 min
    Giga Speed Potion: ASPD +750 for 30 min

    Video:
    Coming Soon

     
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  2. -bRyAn-

    -bRyAn- Well-Known Member

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    Theres something wrong on the stat info.

    Agi increased Dodge/Flee & NOT Evasion. Dodge/Flee is different on evasion.

    Dodge - If u hit by an attack a red text will pop out and say "Miss".

    Evasion - If u hit by an attack u will do a side/backward dash animation.
     
  3. Agidnis

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    thanks for the correction, I honestly thought agi affects evasion as well :p . so I guess the only way to increase evasion is through light armor mastery only?
     
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    wha? i thought agi affected both evasion and dodge.
     
  5. Groot

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    agi affects only dodge
    on mob normal attacks dodge activates and on mob red zones, eva activates
     
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    This is an interesting build but I have some questions.
    For your stats wouldn't it be more beneficial to add to int rather than agi? As a tank you want to be able to survive. Def is important with vit but there are bosses like empress, jade, etc where you would need to build some mdef.

    Why use nure mask? Yes this gives you a big amount of hp but with the -30 ailment resistance this counters the stats you put into mtl. And will also mean every time you will be burned, poisoned, stun. A better option might be to go with brigan helm as this offers resistance increasing both def and mdef plus has 12% aggro. You don't need huge amounts of hp to tank well.

    Provoke optional? I know with the new guardian skill aggro is held a lot easier but this should be lvl 10 and ready as a backup. It will only cost 200 mp at 10. I find that while I don't use this as often it's good to have for some bosses like roga and jade where you can't always cast guardian right away because bosses will interrupt first move. It should still be a primary just in case.

    Aggro combo seems a bit long. I know you haven't posted a video yet but doesn't having both guardian and sanctuary in one combo make it a bit too long? Even with sanctuary swifted it still takes time to cast where you are stuck in one spot for too long taking hits you could be dodging. As a tank you're always moving a lot to avoid unnecessary damage and I don't know about the rest of the tankers but quite a bit of the time I don't even get to guardian because bosses are constantly attacking me. Maybe put guardian and sanctuary in 2 separate combos?
     
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    On mob normal attacks both dodge & evasion can activate.

    Btw athena had a good points on her post.
     
  8. mayam

    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    Guardian is the coming of jesus for tanks :D
    From what i have experienced its actually 100% aggro stealer, regardless of the other party members aggro.
    I tried this at jade because it moves so much/interrupts it kept targeting other players during, after i used guardian, it didnt target me immediately, But still i got aggro when i had gone 5m near it even tho i didnt use any skill at all lol.
    Though this makes me kinda nervous as aggro gears will not be as useful anymore :(
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    Your brawler tank build is very good too, though i personally would prefer low hp and high resistance rather than high hp and depending on sanctuary, the stationary sanctuary makes it a disadvantage for bosses that move too much, also nure mask is bad for tankers you will get poison,burn,guard break,weaken much more which in turn you will take more dmg. The combos too all of them are interrupt combos which are not good while tanking nure/jade/pg. if you really wanted to interrupt they should have been lvl10 for 100% proc rate zzz
    Tho its just my personal playstyle, you can have your own playstyle nothing wrong in that.
    I main as a brawler tank so for me i need to learn dps moves too to be able to stay relevant :)
     
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    Aggro gears will still be useful especially in those moments you need to use provoke. It depends on the boss but sometimes I can't cast guardian right away because boss keeps interrupting.
     
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    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    Thats not a big problem tbh, i havent experienced anyone dying because they took the aggro for like the first 4-5 seconds of battle, also provokes 2mp cost is danger for me after casting both aegis and protection if i use provoke i am left with only 2mp lol (my max mp just 600 :( )
    If both those tries are get interrupted i am left with no mp.. And will have to wait for ampr/mp charge.
    Also i believe provoke does fixed amount of aggro regardless of the aggro gears? Lets summon aggro mistress and see what she has to share (if she is still active :( ) @Caskadia
     
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    Every skill is affected by agro% i used to rely on voke only when i had my staff tank many months ago
     
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    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    How did you calculate it? :rolleyes:
     
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    2 devices and alot of auto attacks :p
     
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    It’s because Def/Mdef doesn’t give that much of a damage reduction compared to resistance. I believe that the computation for the damage reduction made by def/mdef is (Enemy Damage – total def/mdef)(e.g. If an enemy deals 10k magical damage and you have 1k Mdef, the total damage dealt to you would be 9k) that damage is low compared to the damage reduction of resistance which is [Enemy Damage – (%resistance X Enemy Damage)](e.g. if an enemy deals 10k magical damage and you have 50% magical resistance, the total damage dealt to you would be 5k. so that’s why I don’t think int will be that very beneficial . I’ll consider adding Int when the level 3 Priest skills come out and see if the buff for bless will be worth investing for.

    Yes, i have also considered using Brigan helm because of its boost in resistance. I'm still testing which gears are better suited since you need to have very high HP in order for sanctuary to be effective. So its like choosing the lesser of two evils, a gear that greatly improves your HP but reduces your motion speed and ailment resistance, or a gear that gives a decent boost in resistance but doesn't increase your HP whatsoever.

    I don't see the need for provoke atm since I still have no problem in holding the aggro with guardian. Even if the other members take the aggro from me, I can use guardian while the boss' attention is on them then spam the hell out of Combo 3 and the boss' aggro will return to you.

    that's why I distance myself from the boss before initiating the combo. The duration for tumble is more than enough time to cast guardian and reposition yourself before the boss makes its next attack.
     
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    Yes i had a problem pinning down nure in one place. i also think its better opting for +resistance gears for mobile bosses
     
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    With dex and guardian lvl 1-10 using sword there was no dmg loss, was still hitting the same amount, its why most think its bugged
     
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    There is no atk loss, for the caster and pt members
     
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    Which Guardian lvl was it and were u the caster?
     
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    Okay fox^^
     
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    Still no loss in matk
     

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