Toram needs more love for bows!!

There's a technique to manipulate those random numbers. Knowing how to use it is what separates a bg sniper from a good bg sniper, regardless of gears.

 

Thread updated a little(just a little honestly xD)

 

lol 25% crit damage

 

Is this hilarious dude? ^_^

 

For me it is. It's relative.

 

Bow also has another advantage by design, it gains stability and atk from STR and DEX. While bowgun gain atk from DEX but 0 stability. Bowgun gains stability from STR but 0 atk.

 

does bow increase stability in str too? because i am well aware that bows increase damage by 3 per 1 dex and 1:1 str and I'm also aware that bows increase stability from dex but if i understood your statement correctly, does that mean bows also gain stability from str? If not then character stat-wise bow and bowgun is even(bowgun = 4 atk per 1 dex/stability increment from str)(Bow = 3 atk per 1 dex also increases stability per 10 dex[?]/1 atk per 1 str) But if bows increase stability from str too then that's a different story. That's pretty OP late game wise xD

 

安定率
　最高ダメージに対して、補正後安定率％～100％まで整数％がランダムでかかる。
（STR×a＋DEX×b）÷40　小数点以下切り捨て
【片手剣】a＝1、b＝3　（STR×1＋DEX×3）÷40
　【両手剣】a＝0、b＝4　　DEX÷10
　【　弓　】a＝2、b＝2　（STR＋DEX）÷20　
　【自動弓】a＝2、b＝0　　STR÷20
※杖の安定率は最大90%　魔導具は80%

So DEX > STR for bow is better than DEX > CRT as with arrow and a 60-stability bow, you can reach max stability.

Comparatively speaking, STR gives stability 10% and C-Dmg for Bowgun, the more logical way is like @Precaria suggested somewhere, to go DEX > CRT instead.

However, with the recent 100% crit Snipes for Bow users, that's where I can't help but feel to be trolled again. Compare the above, not only does DEX > STR gives bow users same end game attack compared to Bow-gunners, bow users also gain max stability and C-Dmg bonus from STR, plus automatic 100% (not 95%) crit-rate on Snipes.

If anything, this feels like Bow users are getting pampered.

 

maybe bow for status ailments and war bow for damager?

 

lol i dont even have a snipe -.-
it's not shot times per kill but damage of the skill
my argument base on this data : https://www.dopr.net/toramonline/skill2

I only help give u more thing to think about

Thank you

 

As likely as that was the true intention, but in reality, it is hard to compete against 100% crit rate and 100% stability. That output is far too consistent for bow-gunners to compete against. Yes, today bow gunners still out-damage bow users, but that's because bow users haven't added STR yet.

With STR, bow users base atk will increase by 30% (1 atk from STR). They also gain 15% from C-Dmg. They also have an advantage of 20% stability. That's not taking into account the extra damage bonus they receive from the skill itself... 400% with bowgun vs 300% (am I right? 300%?) with bow...

So if today, bow gunners do not produce 187% of damage output compared to bow users, they lost the fight already. Which, as far as I know, they don't. (That's given IF I did my math correctly too ^^)

Correction: 'Some' don't, There are still bow-gunners who can maintain that gap, but those are the skilled ones ^^

[edit:] after a smoke and revisiting my math, I did get it wrong,
Bow users will eventually be able to do 187% compared to current damage.
Current gap between bow users and bow-gunners should be 144%. This will explain how Gear bow managed to narrow the gap to about 15% difference in damage.
I apologize for the mis-calculation

 

Archers still fighting among themselves?Come on guys,can't we all take pride in being shamelessly overpowered xD!

 

This is actually a good argument for bow users and bow gunners. Their build (if Snipe focused) are so identical that they can easily switch between the 2. However, we are at the last update before main stat is maxed. Where to go from here is a question that a lot of players are having.

Do I go STR and use bow?
Do I go CRT and use bowgun?

This discussion will help a lot of 'hunters' decide their future path ^^

 

Gunners can still go with STR as second stats. nothing's mandatory in this game, once we reach lv100 that's crit rate+10 for both player crafted bowgun n armor n some more from additional n xtals.
arguing about Archer V Gunner : Dawn of Arrows won't bear any fruits. they were made to compliment each other.
I had a 2man party with a gunner farming venacoon last week. this gunner girl clearly knows what archers desire the most... DPS that abuses guard break. once she heard that glass break sound from my snipe, she let loose 2-3 heavy snipe combo. less then 20secs to bag each coon, much faster than any full pt I had before

 

Shot ; damage same thing. So yu don't play arch OK, Everything you said Is already well known . Bt thank you for usless info.

 

very complete information. ty sir Saphos

 

Good to hear that there are skilled players like that ^^

It was not my intention to argue for or against a particular build. Simply pointing out the pros and cons and hope someone will find the info useful.

 

It's easier to use bow than BG. I like how simple to build a bow user. Unlike BG that would need tons of mind breaking math techniques to perfect your build. Yes you got it, I'm not the sharpest knife in the kitchen that's why I will choose the easy one XD

 

Not to beat the issue to death, I did the math wrong. Edited my post regarding damage comparison. Hope it helps.

 

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Another guy with no respect -.-