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Power relationship is just crap

Discussion in 'Toram Online General Discussions' started by Odin, Oct 13, 2016.

  1. kariin

    kariin Patience is a Virtue Staff Member MODERATOR Super Likable Elite Member Wiki Contributor Epic Member

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    it's actually not that bad now that i've experienced it. i farmed for an hour and never had a spawn issue in a full party and my bag was full shortly after with a ton of mats so i had to go back to sofya to unload anyways. the tappin thing however...is quite annoying. im never lookin at my screen when it starts, then it starts lagging shortly after.
     
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  2. Odin

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    Idm the tapping. But having a spawn die after 2 storm and an impact seems pretty sad :(
     
  3. NUT2Fast

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    during it bonus stage it one hit mobs with taps so i think its easy ive gotten max 20 nc off a bonus in 15 seconds
     
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  4. BobWasNeverHere

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    Are you in a party or alone storming?
     
  5. kariin

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    the nc is dropping a lot faster now than it did when i was farming it yesterday, idk if it's because of the event n drops are dropping faster or because its for another reason. the power system thing hasn't affected me much yet. i hate the tapping thing cuz it always comes up when im in mid typing or im not lookin at my screen so i completely miss it or if i dont miss it the mobs are too scattered for me to tap hahaha
     
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  6. Alycia

    Alycia What did I miss? Elite Member

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    It's actually not that bad lol, it's barely even noticable until you have a high blue on your Power Relationship bar.
     
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    Same here. It always appear when I'm not paying too much attention on the phone. I've been farming at nisel yesterday and mob's delayed respawn can be noticed in 80% domination. After the mini game, the respawn rate is back to normal.
     
  8. Odin

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    Yeh i found that last night too!
    Yeah.
    Mine was red... And no roars :( i don't like running from spawn to spawn after 2 storms.
     
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    Well, has anyone tried getting dc intentionally? You know, turn your wifi off and back on again. I haven't tried it yet after this updated, but i think this should reset spawns? That's one way i previously farmed planet heads.
     
  10. kariin

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    i dont hv a spawn issue... lol never left my spot during the 3 hrs i was farming nc
     
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    Me too
     
  12. BobWasNeverHere

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    If yours is red that means your still fresh and at your highest spawnrate (if the spawnrate goes down the more you farm)

    btw I'll ask this again are you alone or farming in a party?
     
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    The new power relationship seems to have changed the spawn system
    - Spawn seems to be better for solo now. Previously for solo, the spawn is extremely slow (presumably to promote party or discourage botting). Now the game doesn't seem to care till you max your blue bar. This is a boon for mats farming when u sometimes just can't find a party.
    - As shared by many others, i didn't experience any spawn issues when in party
    - Overall, power relationship doesn't seem to have much impact on normal players, it is in fact a boon to some.

    My other thoughts on the power relationship system
    - Personally i tot it's pretty clear this system is intended to discourage botting
    - Botting may make things cheaper for the game economy, HOWEVER, it also means the game becomes P2W. people can just buy in game currency from 3rd party websites. And you wont ever beat them, cos they can bot 24/7 or just splash money. Many MMOs have crashed because botting is so rampant, plus the game company bleeds $$ from botting. if they dun make money, it makes no financial sense to continue maintaining / developing the game.
    - Many people (from various posts) have queried why put this system in place instead of programming anti-bot checks (i studied programming)
    - Programming anti-bot checks is kinda like coding a programm to recgonise ur grandma... from amongst 1000s of other grandmas. now mutiply dat by the game population (which is in the milllions.....) it is not easy
    - It is easy to get false positives. We often see ppl complaining about getting banned for not botting or not being able to play because the anti-bot system detects an unauthorised app. The common one is "xposed", which is a actually a common framework used to access the handset functions. it is not only found on rooted phones
    - The current approach (game level interaction) seems much more efficient and effective in my opinion. At the very minimum, it will discourage the "casual botters". I'm pretty sure some people use "touch repeater" type apps to "bot" (basically they cast their combos at fixed intervals, don't move and don't respond to conversations) The power relationship system will make it much harder for these dudes
    - Plus, it is now much easier for the developer to identify such users.... just track the dominance instances and see who keep mashing the same spot at intervals...​
     
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    The last point, beside doing that it also forces people to go back to town, something that would be pretty much impossible for botters unless they managed to code an AI that can auto path as well as spam comboes, or they would just have to sit through the spawn rate penalty, which whole point was to DETER botters to begin with. It's genious.

    Basically, what Asobimo is doing now seems like a hassle, but it's saving the in game economy, solving the RMT, and making them money because of drop rate up books XD.

    This is my personal theory, but they had monitored and noticed the effect of the rampant botting and influx of spina way back during the Alpha days and because back then they couldn't fix it, they decided to wipe Alpha data and start on a blank slate, Beta. But since they now know the outcome of botting, they first tightened security, and like you said,
    Programming anti-bot checks is kinda like coding a programm to recgonise ur grandma... from amongst 1000s of other grandmas. now mutiply dat by the game population (which is in the milllions.....) It is easy to get false positives. We often see ppl complaining about getting banned for not botting or not being able to play because the anti-bot system detects an unauthorised app. The common one is "xposed", which is a actually a common framework used to access the handset functions. it is not only found on rooted phones. They likely also took into consideration that and implemented this new system.
     
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    Well, since I'm not farming alot for now, this system is not affected me somehow...
    Yet... that tapping screen thing is just freaking annoying. I mean, I don't care if there's time limit for farming, but tapping screen is wasting time, sometimes I got to tap twice before got back to normal farming.
    And the bonus.. yuck...
    Exp n tons of trash... why don't it just gimme something good like ticket piece rather than tap n trash :(:(:(
     
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  17. Odin

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    Party of 2.. bur spawn rate shouldn't be ZERO.

    And I hate Botting but I dun wana get stuck where I cast two storms and my NC farm is over... i tried just now and its what I experienced. STILL... SO FAR NOT HAPPY :(
     
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    Small pt of 2
     
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    party of 2 sucked before the power system, so it'll probably still suck after the power system has been implemented. if you farm with a party of 4, ur spawn rates won't be affected.
     
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    I may have solved the problem..m dont do small room nc... Then spawn seems to be okay....
     

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