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Lost Love's Gem Run Shop [Closed till next Event]

Discussion in 'Toram Online Buy / Sell / Trade' started by Lost Love, Nov 21, 2017.

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9am up to 3pm (jp time)
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lol mika x.x

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Legend run finished, took a while but no one fell.

GOT NO DROPS SMFH

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In-Game Name:Sky Ring
Level:140
Class: [DPS and Tank]Sniper 140,tank 140,halb 140
Victory/Infinity/Resurrection?:None
Available time:6:45am-1:15pm/9:45pm-5am (still can make time if needed except friday)
time zone:UTC+08:00
Line ID:skyring99
Your Bids [specify gems and price]:Ulti 4m,Glory 3m
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In-Game Name: Kalibre•
Level: 140
Class [Mention DPS/Tank] Sniper 140, Tank 140, Mage 120+
Victory/Infinity/Resurrection?: None of any ;-;
Available times and time zone: Pretty much all day, GMT+8
Line ID: donald1137
Your Bids [specify gems and price]: Ultimate Gem: 3.5m Glory Gem: 2.5m
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Can any of y'all do glory 3.6m, legend 2.4? Have three gems needing a tank. Thanks!

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~ Gem Run Trades ~

If you yourself have a gem, please consider trading gem runs with us! Trading gems makes 5-20m more profit depending on the gem and event boss, but it is FAR more profitable no matter the circumstance. Below, I'll detail how the gem run trades work, and show you some math on why it is way better for gem owners to trade than to sell!

The Essence of Gem Run Trades
People buy gem runs because they profit off them. They profit because drops are more valuable the raw spina amount they offer. Therefore, by getting only drops instead of raw spina, you get the highest profit possible.

If you understand this, you're golden and should know why I prefer trades so much that I can offer free gem runs for traders and still profit considerably. If not, check out some of the examples below with probabilities

Details and Scam Prevention

Using legendary gem run example: You bring 3 other people with gems into runs for like 1.5m. Then, the next member does the run and sells at the same exact price, until we have done 4 legendary gem runs. In the end you pay nothing (you received 4.5m from your gem, but paid 1.5 each for 3 more gem runs). We pay each time as if we're selling/buying to discourage scamming. The order of the gem runs and pay inside/out will be done on case-by-case basis based on reputation and previous gem run proof. For example, randoms in sofaya or new forums users must bring the first run, and cannot ask for pay outside. More trusted members are allowed to do the run last.

Still confused on how the run works? Check out the section on "what if not all the gems are the same?" for an example.

Example Gem Run Trade with Different Gems

Basically, every gem run is like selling so that later gem sellers can't just do 3 gem runs for free, and not give their own gem.
Example (all glory except player 3 legend which is ~600k* less, so 1.4m)

*600k is subject to change... depends on the event boss. For highly profitable ones it'll be higher, for less profitable ones lower.
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Player 1 sells gem first. He gets 6m, everyone loses 2m.
Player 1: +6m, Player 2/3/4: -2m
Glory gem 1 finished
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Player 2 sells gem next, gets 6m
Player 1/2: +4m Player 3/4:-4m
Glory gem 2 finished
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Player 3 sells gem next, gets 4.2m
Player 1/2: +2.6m, Player 3: +200k, Player 4: -5.4m
Legendary Gem Finished
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Player 4 sells gem next, gets 6m
Player 1/3/4: +600k, player 3: -1.8m
Glory Gem Run finished
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Note how if anyone leaves/doesn't provide gem, it isn't that much of a scam. Like if player 4 leaves before his run, he still paid 5.4m for the 3 runs.

I deliberately put more trusted people with better proof at the end too so less scam chance.

Example Profit comparisons of Trading vs Selling

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Okay, so Ultimate is easiest to see why trading is more profitable (because it is guranteed xtal).

Let's say Goldoon xtal worth 6m right now (CB is 6.2m lowest)
Selling ultimate gem 3.5m sounds great for you, but compared to trading with 3 other ultimate gem sellers it loses at least 15m.

You get Goldoon Xtal (6m), fighter uniform app (2.5m), and 15 dyes (2m) from selling, as well as 10.5m from buyers. That totals 21m. Wow! That's a lot of spina! Or is it...

If you trade with 3 others, you get 4 goldoon xtals (24m), 4 fighter uniform apps (10m), and 60 dyes (8m) which is 42m. That's a difference of 21m for one gem, and is literally double the profit. And that's when you sell at 3.5m... which many gem run buyers complain is "too expensive." I saw a lot of ultis go for under 3m, which drives profit down further >.>

Note: there is the inconvenience of having to sell all those dyes, but imo the 10m extra profit is worth it. If you don't sell the dyes, you still make more than 10m profit more than selling.

A LOT of people are saying that selling is better because of the stable income from straight up spina. NO IT'S NOT AND HERE'S WHY FOR THE 10TH TIME:

With four legend gem runs, you can get 0-4 xtals. Some people are saying it's riskier than selling because you can get no XTALs and 0 spina profit. Yes, you can get no xtals, but the probability game still HIGHLY favors trading among other gem sellers. Also it is just as likely to get 4 xtals (which is probably at least 23m profit) as 0 xtals.

For sake of example, let's do Dragon Witch (Jeila Very hard) with Legend Gem

0 D. Witch Xtal Drop: 0m profit (6.3% chance)
1 D. Witch Xtal Drop: 5-6m profit* (25% chance)
2 D. Witch Xtal Drop: 10-12m profit (37.5% chance)
3 D. Witch Xtal Drop: 15-18m profit (25% chance)
4 D. Witch Xtal Drop: 20-24m profit (6.3% chance)

*I estimate D. Witch as 5-6m profit, but I think it will go up after event. The higher XTAL price btw, the better it is to trade than to sell.

Compare with selling at 1.5m each for Legend (many sellers even sell cheaper like 1.2m)
4.5m guranteed
0 D. Witch Xtal Drop: 4.5m (50% chance)
1 D. Witch Xtal Drop: 9.5-10.5m (50% chance)

Note: You can get a max of 1 Jeila xtal for bonus profit when selling. With 4 Legend run you can get up to 4 Jeila xtals. Jeila is worth at least 500k.

The most probable outcome of 4 legend runs is 2 D. Witch and 2 Jeila xtals is almost 14m. This is already 4m higher than the highest you can get selling, which only has a half chance of occurring.

If you get unlucky and only 1 D. Witch drop (25% chance), you still get 6-7m+ because of 4 chances of 50/50 Jeila xtal drops. Compare that to no d. witch drop from selling (50%) and 1 chance of 50/50 Jeila bonus.

Yes, there is a 6.3% chance you get a financial disaster with no D. Witch drops. But for the rest of the 94%, trading is simply better by the millions. Also, doing more gem runs is fun and challenging, at least IMO.

The Problems of Gem Run Trading
A few notable problems exist with Gem Run Trading:

Slow to set up, takes time to find a good time for everyone to run.

Party tends to be weaker than parties when selling. Most of the time it is still strong enough to defeat the event boss though. Occasionally, I get a very weak party that cannot properly defeat the boss and the run is cancelled.

Must do four runs for the profit. Because the profit difference ranges from 6 million to 20million, I personally think that the extra few hours to do more runs is well worth it.

However, even with all these in mind I still think it is a much better idea to trade your gem than to sell it. I will be doing all the setup so you will not have to worry about that.

To further incentive trading, I'm setting up a Kit Kat reward shop for traders! The fact I still profit largely despite this reward shop should show you why you should trade

KIT KAT REWARD SHOP
You may exchange your Kit Kat bars for any of the rewards below!

x 5 = 1 Million Spina
x 6 =SRD Gem Run
x 11 = Legend Gem Run
x 17 =Glory Gem Run
x 22 = Ultimate Gem Run

Sell me a SRD/Legend Gem Run
Sell me a Glory/Ultimate Gem Run x2
4-Way SRD Trade
4-Way Legend Trade x2
4-Way Glory Gem Trade x3
4-Way Ultimate Gem Run x4

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Is trading with other event xtals (Like how I have goldoon for example) Allowed?
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Is trading with other event xtals (Like how I have goldoon for example) Allowed?
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Not sure what you mean... we are trading gem runs so we each bring a gem and sell it to each other for the same price. Please check out the example run! If you have any questions lmk... The profit of trades far exceeds selling.

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Forgot to take screenshot but... trusted gem trader ! Thanks ~~~~

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Forgot to take screenshot but... trusted gem trader ! Thanks ~~~~
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Yeah I forgot too x.x

LMK if you have any more gems to trade! There's always an option of a 4-way trade, which is super lucrative (sometimes 10-20m more profit than high bid selling) but takes a lot of planning. IMO still worth, unfortunately too few people are interested atm.

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Legend 2.2m
Glory 3m
Tank lv130
Bow dps 140
Ing: CHR0MIX
Line: ChromixYT
Time: normally anytime unless im sleeping lol
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Meeting in 10 minutes ch. 1 int.1 gov

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@Chromix going to need to confirm your presence.

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@Chromix going to need to confirm your presence.
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I am a low lvl player just 103
Full dex snipe with atk 1206
Can i join in any gemrun ^.^
Willing to pay out

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I am a low lvl player just 103
Full dex snipe with atk 1206
Can i join in any gemrun ^.^
Willing to pay out
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Dude pls stop. When ur low dps dont even think about to join a gemrun on event boss.I couldnt succes a gemrun twice cuz of ppl like u.I dont want to be mean to u just saying the truth

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Dude pls stop. When ur low dps dont even think about to join a gemrun on event boss.I couldnt succes a gemrun twice cuz of ppl like u.I dont want to be mean to u just saying the truth
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I wasnt looking for event run lol.
Common boss like iconos or bkod.
Btw its rude to discriminate by the lvls

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I wasnt looking for event run lol.
Common boss like iconos or bkod.
Btw its rude to discriminate by the lvls
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She only sell at event boss.Its rude to join with low level and ruin for other player the gemrun

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I wasnt looking for event run lol.
Common boss like iconos or bkod.
Btw its rude to discriminate by the lvls
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Heya! I'll be doing moxiz or bkod/bexiz, some time, will let you know about that when it happens! I may prefer a tank though.

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Heya! I'll be doing moxiz or bkod/bexiz, some time, will let you know about that when it happens! I may prefer a tank though.
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aww.... Thanks though ^.^

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She only sell at event boss.Its rude to join with low level and ruin for other player the gemrun
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To be precise i didn't join.
I just asked if i can join in any gemrun organised for peeps like us

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Dude pls stop. When ur low dps dont even think about to join a gemrun on event boss.I couldnt succes a gemrun twice cuz of ppl like u.I dont want to be mean to u just saying the truth
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She only sell at event boss.Its rude to join with low level and ruin for other player the gemrun
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^^"

Please don't take your frustration out on other lowbies. I was only in that gem run because of scheduling mix up with another gem trade.

In other words I was a gem provider. And we only failed during the test run. If it doesnt work out, it doesnt work out. It was just unfortunately scheduling that you had to do the run with me.

We lost absolutely nothing, unless 30 mins of your time is valuable enough to justify venting on a totally unrelated newbie. That's why test runs are valuable. Gem runs are not always for pros only either. Customer interests are valuable.

If you are still not happy, you can vent it out with the appropriate person, i.e. me, on PM or LINE. No need to vent on unrelated personnel on a sell thread yes?

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