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Just My Style - Road to 11K ASPD (update Build)

Discussion in 'Brawler' started by AliceYvne, Jun 7, 2018.

  1. AliceYvne

    AliceYvne Elite Member Elite Member

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    Poor English, so just start sharing XD
    This type mainly is concentrate on ASPD and Motion Speed.


    What is ASPD?
    ASPD is mean Attack Speed. ASPD help to reduce the interval/gap between each Physical Hit, or in simple word, ASPD help to reduce the time wait for second hit.
    So If your ASPD is less than 1000 or negative, the waiting time for next Hit is increase.


    How much ASPD is needed?
    Basically 1k - 2K aspd is enough for most of the class,


    Then why you still need 10K ASPD?
    The main reason I need more ASPD is because I want to reduce the motion for my base attack and skill.


    What is motion?
    Motion in simple explanation mean the time needed to completed an action. Motion not only occur to skill but also on base attack. That is why 10k ASPD look faster then 1K ASPD although both don’t have any attack interval occur.
    Example, let say you wanna punch me, there is few action occur to completed the punch.
    1. Rise your hand ( 0.25 sec )
    2. Move your elbow to behind ( 0.25 sec)
    3. Move forward your fist ( 1 sec )
    4. Your fist touch me, enter damage calculation XD ( 1 sec )
    5. Pull back your fist ( 1 sec )
    6. Your hand back to standby mode (0.5 sec)
    Now this whole action need about 4 sec to completed. The time needed is call Motion. By reducing the motion time mean your can turn the 4 sec punch to 2 sec punch.


    Ok, but what the benefit to get high motion ?
    As mention high motion help to reduce the time needed to completed an action, which mean
    1. Deal more base attack OR increase DPS
    2. Easier to Trigger Shield Break
    3. Reduce action need to skill
    4. Proration control
    5. Faster to complete our combo
    6. Fast MP recovery
    7. Faster to pull off yourself from Base attack
    8. Make me happy XD
    Other than above, I wanna to test on some thing else. According to most of the Data miner, maximum motion reduce is 50% only.
    But according from what I try, when my ASPD reach 9k, my motion is about 45%. but every time I use GSW, I can see there is a different for every stack ( GSW give another 10% motion , 3 stack is 30%). when 3 stack is on active, My motion is about 80%(if the calculation is correct), and beside I still have Rush(another 10%).

    maybe I’m Wrong but I will continue try it out. But no matter right or not, I sill enjoy this style.

    AGI 255
    VIT 50
    DEX 40
    CRI 69
    Plan reset DEX 40 > 58, and CRI 69 > 51 to reduce graze.
    Blade Skill 23
    Warcry 5
    Berserk 8 ( Wait next cap to LVL10)
    Blade Mastery 5
    Quick Slash 5

    Magic Skill 23
    Magic:Arrow 5
    Magic:Javelin 5
    Magic:Spear 5
    Impact 7
    Mana Recharge 1

    Martial Skill 115

    Smash 10
    Bash 10
    Shield Break 10
    Sonic wave 10
    Chariot 10
    Rush 10
    Martial Mastery 10
    Martial Discipline 10
    Aggregate 10
    Strong Chase 10
    Earth Bind 5
    Triple Kick 5
    Heavy Smash 5
    Chakra 0

    Halberd Skill 25
    Quick Aura 10
    God Speed Wield 10

    Guard SKill 20

    Light Armor Master 10
    Advanced Light Armor Master 10

    Alchemy Skill 1
    Process Material

    Stargem

    Play dead 10
    First Aid 10
    Hidden Arm 10
    Protection 10
    Reserved
    Type 1
    1MP-150% Melee Combo = Smash > Berserk(Save) > SWave > Bash > Impact(con) > Rush(Smi) > Shield Break(con)
    1MP-150% Range Combo = GSW > Berserk(Save) > Quick Aura > Warcry(con) > Impact > Chariot(Smi) > SWave(con)

    Type 2
    1Mp-130% Melee Combo = Smash > Berserk(Save) > SWave(con) > Bash(con) > Chariot(Smi) > Shield Break(con)
    4Mp-190% Range Combo = GSW > Quick Aura > Impact(con) > Chariot(Smi) > Warcry(con)
    4MP-150% Melee Combo = Impact > Rush(Smi) > Quick Aura









    Fun or not, it’s just my play style ^.
     
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  2. screamingfox

    screamingfox Well-Known Member

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    Looks like fun. Hope you show some videos of bosses/mini bosses closer to level cap to show it's full potential.

    What gear are you using btw?

    Going to reserve judgement on skills, since you're having fun with it and it works. o:. GJ o3o/
     
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  3. Komibii

    Komibii [TITLE] Elite Member

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    Tbh I don't understand why more people don't use ASPD in their builds. With most of my builds, I usually manage to get my ASPD to 800 or more because it helps a lot with prorating and AMPR, and I'm usually able to have a decent dps with it despite not having great equipment. Nice build!
     
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  4. AliceYvne

    AliceYvne Elite Member Elite Member

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    Working on new video.

    Gear is
    Weapon=AGI7%11CR15ASPD15%,Marchitar
    Armor = AGI7%9,CR15,ASPD15%,ifrid
    acce=cat tail, Grass + candela2
    Special=speed3, Goovua+Bexis
    Dagger=LW dagger

    Using Lw dagger is because I want the 15% evasion, so my total Evasion rate is 51%, GSW can give another 30% but it’s too risky.

    And my berserk just LVL8 because lack of skill point.
     
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    Ikr, mine got 750+ ASPD and it's really helpful.
     
  6. screamingfox

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    It's way cheaper making a full CRT build than it is to make a build fully invested into ASPD%. It's like making a specialty set for any other weapon class. Just that if you want to keep your stability, 100% CRT, hit rate, and ASPD you may want to consider selling half your kidney. If you get it all though, good luck selling most of it btw. It's a pain, compared to selling a bunch of Crit stuff that you can use on any character.
     
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  7. AliceYvne

    AliceYvne Elite Member Elite Member

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    First time know about this......just though ppl prefer DAMAGE more than SPEED, and normal on most of MMORPG.
     
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    Cool build but the damage is kind of random because of berserk.
     
  9. AliceYvne

    AliceYvne Elite Member Elite Member

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    This I already notice before come to this build.
    Except 1H and 2H ( -25% Stability ), other weapon is reducing -50% stability
    1H = Base Stability 80% >> 55%
    2H = Base Stability 70% >> 45%
    Kn = Base Stability 90% >> 40% <--- with some dex, cat tail and marchitar, My stability is 99% >> 49%
    In future will put more stat on DEX to boost the stability..a least a bit will help.

    I know it's scarified my weapon stability, but in return i get 16% Motion Boost and 25% CRate.

    Now without GSW ( with Quick Aura + Giga + Berserk only ), my ASPD can reach 9300-9500++, which is about 46%-47% Motion Boost.

    So all my skill in combo list come with default swift XD
     
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  10. Komibii

    Komibii [TITLE] Elite Member

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    Light armor + character levels + quick aura = easy ASPD. You don't need to sacrifice anything, have a bunch of crazy and expensive equipment, or whatever to attack quickly.
     
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    AliceYvne Elite Member Elite Member

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    Guess his message is, less player looking for ASPD gear thus market demand is low and this cause is difficult to get.

    Due to market demand is low, it’s also difficult for us to sell it because less people need it.
     
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    Komibii [TITLE] Elite Member

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    lol, but my point is that you don't need ASPD equipment to have a lot of ASPD.
     
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    You wouldn't be wrong there either. This is simply my perspective though. I've run through both and felt that maintaining 100% crt rate, with good hit rate was easier than maintaining, high aspd, 100% crit and high hit rate

    You need to define your definition of high aspd for me.
     
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    My first and second post in this thread pretty much say it all.

    800 ASPD isn't necessarily "high", but when you consider that most people would have a much lower amount, and some even into the negatives because of don yeti crystas, 800-1100 ASPD is still comparatively "high", even though some builds might have 5000, 8000, etc.
     
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    Alright I see what you mean now. You're not talking about Brawlers but are talking about every class correct? If so I misinterpreted what you said and had assumed you were talking about Brawlers as opposed to every class in the game. As I was referring to how much of an investment you'd need to put into Brawlers to obtain high ASPD in relation to Brawlers. Not in relation to other classes.

    If that's the case, then yes. The investment to get attack speeds between 800 ~ 1100 is exceedingly simply and fairly beneficial for classes that have a hard time achieving this attack speed. Don't know if it's trump CRATE, CDMG, or ATK% for some of the higher ATK weapons.

    Yerp, but my context was only to Brawlers at a high price point or Brawlers at a moderate price point. Didn't realize he was talking about ALL classes. Which is a completely different thing. I feel I should elaborate on it further, but I also think this part of the topic has probably gone on long enough with my input. o3o. So i'm just going to leave that alone.
     
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    It’s ok, idm. I know people in toram prefer Damage output more than this type. So didn’t expect too much comment on it. Just wanna to share to someone that try to push Brawler to maximum attack speed, and I just showing them what I have done.

    I wanted upload more video but my network is sxck in upload.
     
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    This is why I like knuckles. Fast aspd and so much interruptions lol. Also, would this build be ok with triple kick lv.10?
     
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    in term of DPS.. (not mentioning high DMG screenshot).
    is it worth it to have aspd max? or we can leverage a lil bit to STR(cdamage) so a lil bit balancing between ASPD and DMG ?
     
  19. AliceYvne

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    Worth or not it’s up to the play style you prefer. Toram is class free MMORPG, thus there is no right or wrong for any build.

    Of course there still a build that is suitable or not suitable. For balance build mostly is good for those player who always solo and team with random player, because we not sure which team have tank or dps, example what if you join a team all is DPS build ? Or all is Tank build?

    For those exceeding build( I not sure how actually you all name it) or those only concentrate on specific stat build example damage only, defend only, support only build. This type of build is good for when you have a trusted team or guild, everyone have it clear position on mob fighting. Example when you have a good tanker, he/she able to block any of the boss damage, 100% aggro absorb, die hard and great team cover, in this situation a DPS build is better than the other because you don’t need to worry about your tanker will lose aggro or you will get interrupted on attack.

    So I can’t actually give you a confirm answer, it’s all depend on how you want to play this game. And last apologized for any wrong or poor English.
     
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    I'm gonna go on ahead and quote something I said in a different thread because I feel like it could be useful here:

    "After you reach 1100 ASPD, every additional 180 ASPD increases the motion speed of all your attacks (normal, physical, & magical; support skills are unaffected) by 1%. the ASPD cap is at 10100, which equals +50% motion speed.

    Motion speed might not seem like a great stat for dps, but for example, if you had a character with a combo that can be spammed without ruining proration or losing any MP and also has no support skills, the entire combo would take up 50% less time. If we spammed this combo with 10100 ASPD, we could use it twice in the time that it would take for another character with 1100 ASPD or less to use that same combo once. Since the first character can use their combos twice as often, that equals a 100% DPS increase.

    The only problems with ASPD as a DPS stat is the fact that it can take a lot of effort to get it up to 10100, while getting things like cdmg and ATK would be easier, and that things like support skills and auto attacks lower your overall DPS boost from it a little bit.

    It's definitely not the best stat for increasing your DPS, but it does contribuite. It can also make it easier to survive since you can move away from red/blue area attacks more quickly."
     
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