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Why I've decided to ignore crit damage

Discussion in 'Brawler' started by ugliest, Jul 20, 2018.

  1. ugliest

    ugliest Well-Known Member

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    It was devastating doing so little damage on the ULTI bosses that I eventually gave up. My auto attacks were 0's and 1's, even shell break wasn't cutting through the defense.

    Because of this, I've decided to forego any sort of crit damage into my knuck build. If knucks are going to compete in the future against higher def bosses, they need more base attack.

    I've completely changed my gear to all Agi/Atk/CR items with Oni Afro (100 ATK) and using Don Yeti for another 100 ATK.

    I may do less damage to lower defense bosses, but now I can do some damage to much higher defense bosses because my base ATK better.
     
  2. Komibii

    Komibii [TITLE] Elite Member

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    Use shell break on high DEF bosses; It has 50% armor pierce and its multiplier increases the higher your target's DEF is.
     
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    There are some things even shell break can't break through.
     
  4. PauPauPau

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    this is a diverse game where you can trade off something in exchance for something else. in the case of knuckles, an agi mainhand knuckle will have less atk but more motion speed to execute more attacks and prorate. you can then give up aspd and be a staff fu to get more base atk from staff and cdmg from str but lose the aspd and dodge you will get from agi. theres also a sword fu as something in between but there are also pros and cons of every build. there is also the importance of gear and how it can compensate your shortcomings or further increase your good points

    there is no build that has everything. you just have to ask yourself what you really want and is it ok losing something else for that something.
     
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    Komibii [TITLE] Elite Member

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    If shell break isn't doing enough damage then I can imagine that nothing else would. What is it that you are fighting?
     
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  6. ugliest

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    On one of the runs, I was doing ultimate Lalvada solo for fun.

    Nope'd the fk out after my autos did 0-1 dmg and shellbreak did like 10k dmg.
     
  7. Zephyr666

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    Im gonna do a solo lalvada ulti as my gears have a ton of armor pierce, tell me your completion time?
     
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    wait how the fuck did you do ulti lalvada
     
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    I would suggest your keep both toes of equipment, change it depend on the boss fight.

    Perhaps lavalda have high physical resistant and middle range of defense, that why you SB dealt 10k damage.
     
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    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    Ultimate lalvada is not even possible to join.
    If we are talking about nightmare mode. Lalvada has 1500+ def and 35% resist so you need 2500+ ATK (considering no pierce) at least to do non 0 autos which is very tough to obtain on knux.

    On most ulti bosses non finale/d.tooth users really can not do much. Unfair? Yes it is but the problem is this company really doesnt know how to bring balance updates quick and even if they do those said balance updates barely change anything.

    Knux cant compete against halberd/mage on ulti bosses untill its stats are buffed to gain more ATK growth from stats. Its a hard to swallow fact not my biased opinion. I am not saying its not possible and I am certainly not a regular lalvada farmer.

    I suggest for now go back to normal mode try to trigger it with ailments and observe in other parties if doing certain action drops its defenses as I remember doing sudden bursts of big damage there. Once you know the trick try it again on nm mode.
     
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  11. Zephyr666

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    So im not rly understanding? I did lalvada on nightmare and my shell breaks landed for 30k about, allowing me to do a 50k chariot. The dmg is low as hell but its definitely no 10k, idk whats going on there u better check that.
    My atk is kinda low at about 1.4k ishhhh but it still gets the job done. Aso rly needs to patch up some stuff w the knuckles, but then again my build isnt quite close to being done yet
     
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    Err mine one all is graze attack.....but shield break(no combo) still can deal 20-40k with 150% Cd and 1400++ atk only,

    Perhaps is the problem from your combo.
     
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    Might've been NM. It was a few months back at the start of 150 level cap.
    148? Yeah, NM.

    I don't remember the exact numbers on my SB. It was definitely low.

    Are you using the new knucks? or a Zaif?
     
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    Idk if ur talking to them or not, but I myself used Mad Palms boss drop (which im planning to switch to 777% 3rd anniv VII gear)
    The boss battle honestly wouldve taken me about 6 or 7 minutes merely out of how much hp it has, but like i mentioned, my gears arent up to par quite yet.

    I honestly feel as tho u shouldnt worry abt having low crit dmg until we've reached a point in time where we can start adding to STR stats, or aso finally patches up some stuff in a balance update or with the new skill trees.
     
  15. Lynxia

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    from want it sound like, your current level is to low or not high above enough of the current boss to handle the bosses cuase i remeber when i was soloing york on hard mode at lvl 125 when york was on his 3rd stage (low hp) his resistence increased and my auto was dealing 0-1 damage. now at lvl 145-150 im able to solo him now on hard mode without my auto attack damage dealing 0-1 damage. Also to if your using outdated hear and have not updated the weapon to a weapon with an higher ATK damage then that may also be a issue.
     
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    Nah, I'm capped.
    When I did the Lalvada, I was using the best possible knuck at the time (+S Zaif with ACCD 2 slotted) with 2 slotted gears.


    Madpalms has 40% more base dmg than Zaif, so if you were using a Plus S Zaif vs a Plus S Madpalms, you'd definitely be doing more damage. I was doing this when Zaif was the best Knuck possible. I'm sure I'd be able to do some dmg now with my 3rd Anniv Knuck considering it's so much more dmg. (he's on hybernation waiting for new skills)



    But I don't think people are understand what I'm saying. I'm telling people that because of the low base dmg of knucks and increasingly high defense of bosses, Putting gear stats into crit damage isn't worth it and it's more important to increase base damage by adding more agi stats and ATK% Stats.

    Also Zephyr, you should do 7/7/16/ on your knucks for better dmg. If you have no stats into str, you will only get 10.5% crit dmg from the 7% stat.
     
  17. Lynxia

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    ohh i see, if i could remember correctly that boss resistence increases when tumbled or hit by another status aliment, usaully when it changes color from its original color, that means a status aliment trigger its resistence to boost
     
  18. ugliest

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    yeah all my combos start with non ailment options.

    in fact i hardly used my knuck as a breaker since everything seems to be sensitive nowadays.
     

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