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Masters Tonfa or Twin Eagles

Discussion in 'Brawler' started by Justin toram, Nov 11, 2018.

  1. Justin toram

    Justin toram New Member

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    I'm not seeing much discussion and I was wondering if it would be worth making a knuck character to play with the slotted twin eagles I got earlier.
     
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    Are twin eagle hard to get?
     
  3. Justin toram

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    I couldn't say, I only got the one. I might have run the event 8 times or so.
     
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    For now YES, with the +100 Critical and Base Critical +25, you no longer require any critical Gear and the Critical Resistant should not a problem for your anymore.

    From damage compare, MT have a better damage than TE because of the BASE damage and also it's come with the +25 CD, but due to it's -100% BASE CRITICAL, you need to have lot of critical gear/avatar to push your CR back to 100, this also mean your gear or xtal will be restricted. With TE you can change your Armor to AGI7%CD7%CD17 ( I not sure can the AGI7% become ATK7% or not, maybe you can check in the stat post ), using Ninja Hat or other Damage boost gear or xtal, in another ways mean you are critical free now.
     
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    Got 3 in about 10 run, it's not difficult to get the shield and Knuc, but the sword I didnt have any till now.
     
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    My gf did few runs and almost got twin eagles in every run.

    Imo master tonfa and twin eagles are just like the same thing for me. To utilize them effectively, then you need to adjust your current stats/gears/xtals.

    Some may need reset, so it’s also Asobimo’s ruse for us to buy more orbs.

    Though one notable thing about twin eagle is its an upgrade for drills, so pure tank won’t do binary damage anymore.

    I’m still waiting for brawler updates that’ll entice me to return from my hiatus.

    ^_^
     
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    OP, this is a very good question.

    I think both are viable (tho tonfa still stronger), but it depends on what you have already and how much you are will to spend.

    In terms of farming the weapon, arguably twin eagles are easier to obtain.

    In terms of supporting gear, i think pretty much everybody Shaved Ice Hat (Gespenst 2) and a fc arm (with hp xtal) so you could easily start a tonfa+md build using meikyo. Alternatively for Twin Eagles, you would need to invest in a new arm with full agi/dps stats (and a pure atk add) which you may not have already, in order to come close to the same level of dps as tonfa.

    I also picked up a 1s Twin Eagles too, so will try to find a way to utilize it as a dps brawler (experimentation is the best fun in this game :D). Need to refine it properly though, as 1slot +E eagles is really subpar compared to my 2slot +S tonfa...
     
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    I'm going to say it in terms of best knuck meta.

    Right now, Knuck MD is the best iteration of dps knuck (Though I still prefer shield because I play risky GSW style). It is the most versatile as you don't have to get close to the enemy to do regain ampr. It opens up skills for self proration. You can rely on quick combos now and still have easy mana access. You get power wave as part of the package, so if you do need to auto attack you can do so from a distance.

    Affordable Case DPS Gear for both set ups: AGI -> Str

    Twin Eagles +B (Pomie + Ultima Machina)
    Agi 7% CD7% CD 17 (Usama, Ornlarf)
    Ninja Hat (Guignol)
    Machina (Don Yeti, Venena)

    For Tonfa -> Need to get 60Crit total for meikyo to 100%
    Tonfa +B (Pomie +Ultima)
    Cd7 CR CD 17 (Usama, Ornlarf) (17 CR)
    Shaved Ice (Gespent 2) (30 CR)
    Machina (Don Yeti, Bexiz) 5 CR
    CR Avas, + 5 CR from Passive -> 60 CR

    For the Twin Eagles -> You'll have around 1800 Atk
    For the Tonfas -> You'll have around 2100 Atk

    Now, with the Twin Eagles, you can do 6 impact chariot combos before having to recharge (4 + 2 after resonance) and will be able to prorate reliably
    At 1700 ATK, you'll probably be getting 200 - 225k Chariots on most bosses.

    With tonfas, you'll be need to rely on Meikyo -> so its a 7mp Chariot combo. You'll be able to nail down 3 Chariots before you have to recharge.

    at 2100 Atk, you'll probably get 250k - 300k chariots on most bosses.

    Now to use up all your MP
    6 chariots for 1.2m
    Or
    3 Chariots for 750k

    Assuming each chariot combo takes around 4 seconds:

    In 24 second, I can do 1.2m with twin eagles over 6 chariots
    in 24 seconds, I Can do 3 chariots + Maximize + 2 more chariot so around 1.2m

    Obviously this is just hypothetical. In a real battle setting, you'd be running around and dodging before firing off a chariot. Because of that, I personally prefer using the Tonfa because it has a higher burst value.

    What I will say though, is Tonfa locks you into a very specific gear set to play effectively, while Twin Eagles opens you up for many ways to play Knuckles.
     
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    What the....which difficulty are you doing? The knucks drop very rarely for me, I got around 10 1h swords before even getting 1 knuck, the same with the shield, I do normal difficulty
     
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    Drop 1 in 3 Normal mode, 2 in 7 hard mode...maybe I just lucky, but I got no sword at all.....
     
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    Quick Twin Eagle question, inviting others to comment:
    For add, would devil circlet (zoe) be better/worse than tentacle roar (guig+york)? Trying to understand between the cdmg increase (10%+3) vs atk gain (9%atk 20%watk) :confused:
     
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    Devil Circlet gives 10% Crit Damage. So if you have 150% Crit Damage, it actually adds 15 Flat. With zoe it would actually be 18CD total

    If you have 100 STR, then it would be 170% Crit Dmg times 1.1 = net gain of 17 CD Flat, and with Zoe is 20 CD total.

    9% Attack affects the base damage, with 20% Weapon attack is like 36 dmg. which is like 3 % dmg for a knuck user. So you're getting about 12% Extra Base Dmg Total.

    Strictly Speaking, You'd get more Damage with Devil Circlet on lower Def Bosses. But you going with your Tentacle allows you to maintain crit on crit resistant bosses as well, and can deal dmg vs higher def bosses easier. That's not even talking about the Accuracy Bonus to mitigate grazing.
     
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    Hmm, so i understand this as being that there's a fine line between each add, depending on the def of the bosses. Ok thanks!
    Another bonus to Zoe xtal is extra 9 AMPR, which maybe nice for the melee shield brawler i'm working up next... Happy to switch between either, depending on the boss i'm farming though. :rolleyes:
     
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    knuck shield is fun. gsw and pdef to put your life on the line haha
     
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    Where can i get the MT? & how much of a pain to get it compared to the TE?
     
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    Amoeba Mini Boss.

    I got lucky and got mine within a few kills. But It's a pretty tough drop. Not a lot of people farm it either.
     
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    Thanks for the quick reply. Hopefully that I catch some of that luck.
     
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    Good luck
     

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