Why people leaving Toram? Is it a Dead Game?

I'm curious to players who left Toram since a lot of my friends and guildmates left toram forever. So, to all veteran and New player out there. What are the reason(s) you left/want to leave Toram? (other than 32bit purge)

and also Is Toram a dead game already? If so why?

 

It's not dead, but many players have left for Genshin. Genshin is growing tiring, as the gameplay mostly consists of the same 4 commissions and domains/bosses every single day albeit with events. I play Toram in bursts. In the previous time I had quit, I had been burnt out from making random brawler builds in the hope of finding a hidden strength. Tier 5 will not level the playing field, because Knuckles are so weak that it's likely intentional by the devs. I am continually surprised by its numerous amount of weaknesses, with every new attempt at a new build

 

Edit: I am quite curious why would you ask that question?
Edit2: Are you perhaps an asobimo spy ?!?! nani!
Edit3: if i hang around dead people it's safe to say, i am in a cemetery.

I wrote a long essay to answer your question then deleted it.
Honestly i have seen this question so many times, not just in toram.......
Is the game dying mentality is so last year.....come on.

Sigma Rule #1 Don't stop the grind, friendship is temporary.

 

Its not dead. They just took the removal of GAAC personally. The wait for free resets is taking too long. Jokes aside, maybe they're just taking a rest. Maybe they got hit by the sudden(idk if it was sudden) ban wave a while ago. Also, I don't think Toram is that kind of game where you constantly look forward to play it the next day.

 

Atm I can only think of 5 reasons why players leave this game.

1. Monotony - grinding is too much for them and don't the mental fortitude to continue doing so, thus they get lured by a different game

2. Game Economy - those who gets affected by botters and hoarders, control over the game economy

3. System Requirements - every once in a while we get filtered due to our devices, latest was when they hit 32bit, so they can either move to pc now or get a nice device to play with

4. IRL stuffs - this is when real life stuffs affects are gaming lol, like work, school, etc

5. Commitment - I put this last, coz if you're not committed to the game, then it'll be easy for you to leave

I understand your frustrations.

I enjoy punching foes and that lured me into the game way back in 2015. I love the knuckle class, regardless of it being the underdog, I stayed. There are highs and lows. Players will not expect much from you since you use knuckles, they immediately think you lack damage, only good with interrupt, tanking, etc. But, when you showed an amazing feat of destroying an enemy, players will applaud and commend you for being a dps brawler, since the class don't get much love. So now, knuckle aficionado like me are crossing fingers, hoping for tier 5 to come and help us shine. ^_^

 

IMO, there is no game can last forever, in other words no one can play a game for their whole life due to many reasons stated above from many experienced players. If you still enjoy Toram, you should ignore those players who had left. I've played since 2017 and witnessed many friends of mine had left (even the guy introduced me this game had left) and I, myself has quit game many times because of the reason number 4 RyeUshio-sama has comment above, but I still love this game, I just came back a month ago and now trying to find a internatioal guild for making new friends since my last guild has been disbanded and all my friends in list are offline 99+ days ago. Well... it's kinda long, anyway, just enjoy the game if you love this game, don't worry about those who has left

 

I see

 

Spy sounds way too cool. But thank you for your response!

 

Thank you!

 

did you read that on facebook? people in the comments there are the worst.

with the pc release a wave of new players appeared, even though it's only for windows.

toram doesn't follow the current trend of high-speed mmorpgs where auto-play and promo gifts spoon feed everything to the player. i guess this turns many people away, and i actually prefer to not have those people around.
to each their own, you can't always appeal to everyones tastes.

i like the game because it is old-school.
gacha isn't part of the gameplay and you are not restricted to a boring rock-paper-scissors class system.

my commitment is with the Heavenly Angels guild.
we may not be as flashy and coordinated as some other guilds here, but we have a long history.
when i became the 3rd guild master i decided to stick around until the very end, even if i would be the last member online.
this is my sanctuary and i don't care what shit others are talking about "dead game". as long as the servers are online i will find something to have fun with.

surely you have your own reason to play the game.
and if you do, i would like to offer you an invitation
https://toramonline.com/index.php?threads/heavenly-angels-recruitment-application-thread.52378/

 

I play On and Off but honestly mostly off at this point.

The "Barrier to Entry" into the game is so far through the roof that it's out there towards mars, particularly for new players. That's to say, it's way too high for no good reason.

Between non-linear progression, an insane lack of in-game information and a list of other things, it's just simpler and more reasonable to not play the game.

That's the tl;dr of why pretty much my entire friend list quit and why I don't play much.

 

as someone who played when toram was first released, quit, came back a few years later for a few days then quit again until last year, and now i play sporadically, my reason is i have commitment issues and lack of motivation to do things, including have fun. my laziness is why i think auto mmo games would suit me better even if the lack of grind is rather boring, but i've yet to find one good enough (i have my eye on one but it's not out yet).

while the game isn't exactly dead, it's definitely past its peak sadly.

 

Thanks for the response. May I ask, what do you mean by "Barrier to Entry"?

 

I agree. That's a good answer

 

In no exact terms, a "Barrier to Entry" is an obstacle that prevents a (new) player from starting/enjoying the game. Toram has a lot of them and they're pretty significant.

For instance, the very first Barrier to Entry is the age of the game. By that I mean the graphics. Easiest to overcome, but given all the mobile games with good, up to date graphics, it's easy to see why some people don't start/quit the game.

From something as simple as that to say, something like time investment (which is probably one of the biggest Barriers to Entry) or Lack of Friends Who Play or Progression.

You ask why people quit the game, and the answer is, they probably ran into one of the numerous "Barriers to Entry" and just couldn't/didn't feel like getting past it.

Think of anything in the game that might discourage/disincentivize someone from playing, and that's basically all I mean when I say a "Barrier to Entry."

 

• Well for one: Most MMORPGs have a high barrier to entry - it's the very nature of MMORPGs. And most communities in MMOs are also very hard to get into - because there is a severe lack of guides and most guides become outdated quickly. Using Forums, going on obscure threads is not new in the MMORPG community itself.
  • Some might say that there is a lot less complexity and content in Toram compared to games like Albion. Toram does do a good job of not throwing a lot of information at you In-game.
  • If anything, it is the community (us players) who throw a lot of specialized information at the newbies who just got a game to play.
  • Also, if we look at the ranking system, the party system, various support skills, and the fact that most bosses become really hard after a while; it is clear that Toram was a game meant to be shared - just like Minecraft. Not a lot of players can get friends who speak their language in-game that quickly.
  • Similar to how there is much less information in the game in Minecraft (and a loose goal to kill the Ender Dragon), but Minecraft is not at all about slaying the Ender dragon, we have Toram, where the goal to continue the Main story exists, but there are a lot of things one can do.
  • It is more of a virtual meet-up and dress-up game than a true MMORPG in most cases.
• Toram Online is 100% meant for Asian markets - while not exactly stingy, will not buy a mobile device for gaming for no reason. (And if they do - there are better games to play). The people I met in-game are mostly Teenagers or kids whose parents don't have high-end phones; or people who just want to play something to pass the time but don't want to spend money on 'gaming' as such.
  • This is also why there was much outrage when they banned 32-bit devices. The audience of this game is not hardcore gamers (or even gamers); they are simple people or kids who get access to low-end devices and want to play a decent enough game.
  • This is also why the graphics are simple - most entry-level smartphones (or integrated chips on laptops) should be able to handle them.
  • This also explains why people leave - because most of those are working adults in Asia OR teenagers with school - they can drop Toram for a few months easily because they are not dedicated gamers.

Now, coming to why I had left the game for a few months in 2021 :

• I hadn't uninstalled Toram from my device - I used to pop back in for a day when new skills like Knight skills were released.
• 2021 was mostly stagnant with little massive changes after Dark power skills.
• I had to attend online Engineering college, and that took up a lot of my time.
• I was stuck a bit on how to properly make a Ninja farmer. Also, my Bear Hat + Zarth wasn't getting sold.
• My mobile device used to freeze randomly when playing Toram, making for a janky experience.

Now with Steam client and a bit of free time, along with upgrades to inventory, Priest skills, etc. And a showcase of Tier 5 skills, I decided to come back.
Additionally, I've been learning Web development, and I thought of polishing my skills by improving my guide for Toram newbies.

There is one key issue at hand, for which people might leave, including me - the fact that Asobimo doesn't solve the HIT/FLEE problem.
Most of the issues in Toram are caused directly or indirectly by them.

• HIT causes the whole Crit rate issue where armors/equipment cannot be statted with other stuff.
  • And because your Crit rate is maxed, why not also increase Crit damage to near 300?
  • This also causes our additionals and xtals to also have crit rate, reducing diversity of options.
• It causes people to use Evasion and iframes more, an I-frame is given to skills like candy nowadays.
• Knuckles have very high FLEE, but can easily die to Magic/Fractional or even physical attacks sometimes. That itself causes a lot of problems for knuckles.

 

Problems with Toram are as such:
> You can make any build workable for normal/hard mode bosses. For nightmare and ultimate, you need an STR build. This is non-negotiable for DPS/Soloers.
> The graphics are DATED. Toram is in that awkward position where it needs high end device specs but has piss poor quality.
> Remaking builds costs either money or waiting for the next free reset which can take months.
> Imbalanced stats, STR being the god of all stats.
> Imbalanced skills like ether barrier from the recently updated priest skill tree.
> Gear is wholly useless in that defense from equipment means nothing when every boss in the game just goes "lol /ignore"
> The sad fate of knux users.

 

I'd switched to Genshin but its endgame is really boring. It feels more like a gambling/grind simulator in the endgame due to the endless rng artifact grind. Getting stronger is meaningless as you'll fight the same mobs everyday, forever. It feels like fighting data after a while

I'm trying Ragnarok Mobile atm, at first glance it seems well populated and boasts many classes (some hybrids). Mobile mmorpgs are a cursed genre tho

 

Thank you. This is good and very organized answers.