About mage tank on empress event

Hello there, i just want to confirm something
Is mage tank has low aggro than other tanker build?
It happen several time with me when I pt with 4 different mage tank in different run.
Everything seems normal in first minute, but suddenly the aggro changed to me. Sometime empress target other sniper or other dps to.

It seems normal if it just one mage tank,
but 4???? I am 100% sure I only use 4mp combo and do long prorate before attack. I do thousand run in empress (just 30 something tough ) with other class tank and we do fine.

Did u guys exp something like this?
Or im just unlucky met this 4 mage tank? What should i do if I cant use 4mp combo?
some mage accuse me spamming 1mp combo but why he do that? Im sure only use 4mp combo and only attack several time ._.

Thanks for reading this post.

 

Hi I am a staff tank myself and I think only time I lost aggro was when snipe players use smoke shot.
Was perfectly fine with 4mp combo users.

A staff tank doesnt really have low aggro but its the skills in their combo that affect the aggro generation.
Most tanks these days focus too much on the skill guardian and spamming it but from my testing and experience that skill is really bad to use at empress coz it needs at least 1 person inside the aura to generate any aggro at all when I knew about this thing I changed my combo and now I only use the skill once to gain the guard rate boost. Overall staff tank can actually have higher aggro there than knux or 1h coz of empress moving too much. We can party sometimes in the future if you wanna test it out

 

And the combo is

 

hello aggro shifting can be due to numerous reasons , and one of them is probably due to insufficient aggro of the tank , or it could also be because of unstable internet of the tank which in turn would reset the aggro of the tank to 0.

 

Idk there's quite a few times I randomly lost aggro and I wasn't sure why. Sometimes it was a halberd or a mage. Then I just couldn't get aggro back even spamming combo. But there have been plenty of runs too where I never lost aggro once.

 

same here, there were times when empress just suddenly shifts her attention to my other pt members even though i constantly use provoke and other skills on her. and the only way for me to take back aggro if i spam my combos or if my members disconnects/reconnects.

 

happens to mee too
even with guardian and continuous provoke

 

Guardian completely useless there unless you ask players to constantly stay near you.

 

Not really useless , your guardian had saved my ass quite a few times. Since alot of empress are targetted aoes and whenever you get targetted and im near besides you , it did saved me from the 1 or 2 hits.

 

I realy apreciate it I still want to know is this some kind of bug for staff tank.

yeah it happen many time when i run with mage tank,, they spam all agro skill but nothing happen. I research again and do empress run with 2 different mage. The result is the same. The empress turn her eye on another dps,,not me tough.
Last mage said the snipe using bulls eyes on the last combo, but i still not sure about this because I use impact>snipe>holy and sometime the empress turn her eyes on me. The weird things is mage dps in the party is being targeted in the last phase

I do run with some 1h/braw tank, they can hold aggro very good. I do some test spamming 1mp combo and they still can hold it until end of the run.
I ll do some run and test something to make sure about this

 

I have managed to take aggro from a 1h tank by my mage so nope it has nothing to do with the weapon
The only tanks that lose aggro there are those that use nothing but provoke to aggro.
Aggro generation still highly dependent on the actual combo that you use a no range combo full of support skills is better at generating aggro than combos with rage sword binding strike and heavy smash at least for a very mobile boss at empress.

Pm me whenever you are free and wanna aggro test at empress

 

ah I knew it so it means I met some guys who depends on spamming provoke and few combos?
So the problem is the combo they used right? Ty for ur answer I ll pm u when I have time for some test.

 

I don't think that's it. I mean most times I don't lose aggro but I was looking for what you said about pt members being in guardian and it still happen right when someone was in my guardian. It kinda reminds me of a time at pg where all the sudden the boss would just turn, walk away from me and jump to attacking a random pt member. A lot of the time too it was the lowest lvl. And this was before guardian came out. I see empress doing the exact same thing here.

 

You can try this with the help of a friend. Ask the friend to make a combo 3skills long and all skills 1mp cost (having a total of 300aggro)

--Target any mini boss and use guardian manually no combo just once and then let your friend steal it.
--Make sure your friend doesnt stand inside the aura while they are using the combo.
--They will take like 3 combo casts to steal it meaning on its first cast it is generating aggro properly.
--Now while staying away from your friend use guardian again you will notice you wont gain the aggro back even though guardian is a 600mp skill and supposed to generate 600aggro which in a single cast should be more than the aggro of 1 combo of your friend, but you still wont get the aggro back in 1cast.
--Even when you gain the aggro back eventually after many casts your friend will be able to steal it back in 1 combo.
--Now try using guardian when your friend is inside the aura you will gain aggro back IMMEDIATELY.

Conclusion:- Guardian is not generating even 600aggro according to its mp cost when--->
1.)The buff is already active and,
2.)Not a single player inside the aura.

Also we tested this with other support skills like sanctuary and the aggro is gained back perfectly fine with them. I reported this thinking this was a bug but they are saying the skill is working correctly.

Now I am not saying this is definitely the reason why you lost the aggro just explaining how just "using guardian" isnt enough to hold aggro at empress.

 

Guardian was a big mistake

Btw Aya how much Aggro does an auto generate

 

Guardian is a frickin trololol prank devised by suzuki no matter how much I test it theres always new disappointments that I discover.
1 auto = 10aggro.

 

Mkay thanks, explains a bit. And ye guardian kind of sucks especially since it doesn't generate Aggro like at all ._. Like dude why even bother, it's just a guard rate buff at this point.

 

It can still be used as a save in your comboes and the damage reduction to members is really underrated , but since the duration of guardian at lv10 is 3mins , you don't have to spam it anymore , like once every 3mins will do for the aura it gives.

 

Its more of a support skill that can be comboed by now. Not saying its entirely useless either.
Its like extremely op when theres people near and absolute waste of 1.5sec swifted cast if theres no one. Not to mention the secret 25ampr. Who knows there might be more secret effects of it.
Its either very useful at certain bosses and for some its not that useful at least not worth spamming at some bosses.