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Adopt a Tank Movement!!!

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by UfuLamb, May 6, 2017.

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Would you like to adopt a tank?

  1. YES, Please!!!

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  2. I already got a tank...

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  3. DPS RULES!!!

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  1. mayam

    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    Your definition of halberd tank is different than mine ^^ I did say if its not using halberd tree skills its not considered a "halberd tank" it will just be considered a regular tank with halberd equipped. I hope that clears it for you.
    For me the point about halberd not being able to tank is "truth" just as much as gun fu not being good is a truth for you in this meta. If its possible for gun fu to become good for you then its possible for halberd to tank as well in the future. I havent seen lvl150 skill and their mp costs.
     
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    BK The Best Elite Burger Known To Mankind Staff Member MODERATOR Elite Member Epic Member

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    Ps my halberd tank uses some halberd skills, ima just leave it as that, seeya
     
  3. mayam

    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    Yeah Skills that are useless for tanking ._.)/ bye
     
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  4. Komibii

    Komibii [TITLE] Elite Member

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    Flash Stab, Quick Aura, and War Cry of Struggle are pretty good for tanking.
     
  5. mayam

    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    More than half of my death counts are from trying to tank with the 55% hp rule of war cry struggle.
    I would consider upper branch of the tree useful for aggro only if there was a 100crt halberd.
    Anyways I suggest you pm me if you want more reasons I dont wanna ruin this thread any further.
    Huge apology to @UfuLamb for nuking your fan art thread like this, its really good and I ruined it. I will have to take responsibility and adopt you for sometime ._.)/
     
  6. Komibii

    Komibii [TITLE] Elite Member

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    Flash Stab is a good combo starter, filler, or finisher because of it's speed.

    Quick Aura is good for the ASPD boost, it helps with mp recovery.

    And the point of WCoS is that you can wait for the boss to use a red area attack to use WCoS to get extra mp. You can use the extra mp for healing, attack interruption, etc. Skills like WCoS, Mini Heal, and other skills with charge times, are powerful skills, but you have to figure out how to use them for them to be used effectively without taking damage.
     
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  7. Djikstra

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    Anyone.. Do you remember the weapon description for halberd? For every agi stat, evasion rate increases a little xD 25% eva for 250 agi?-?
     
  8. Djikstra

    Djikstra Well-Known Member

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    So halberd has potential as a good tank if u think besides strike stab.
    1. Halberd is the class that has one of the most powerful AOE skills. They are useful for mobs control :D and fast cast too. Dive impact has high aggro and dragon tail can tumble foes. Is there exception to dragon tail like can't tumble boss?
    2. They have war cry of struggle as second way to generate MP
    3. They can reach 25% eva rate at 255 agi
    4. They have quick aura so more atk speed means more ampr
    5. U can swift sanctuary using dive impact as save
     
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  9. BK

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    Agi will probs never add eva
     
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  10. Tigr

    Tigr Well-Known Member

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    Agi adds flee (dodge), which is much less useful than evasion :V
    Can only increase evasion with specific equipment or skills :eek:
     
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    It adds flee
     
  12. mamattew

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    how to build a tank teach me master :D
     
  13. mayam

    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    You know later bosses many of them can do a huge fractional that deals more than 55% maxHP you are technically letting them one hit kill you by locking hp below 55%. Its even more insanity if you get poison or ignite. You can NOT guarantee to dodge everything while you are tanking.

    Quick aura is no limit skills for aspd it adds equal amount to all weapons dont really need to use on halberd if just for aspd.
    About flash stab its a good opener just like holy fist. Anything more unique it can do?
     
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    Komibii [TITLE] Elite Member

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    I meant that you could use WCoS in case of an emergency, not keep your hp locked at 55% or lower. You could use it to avoid being instakilled by fractional attacks, like a last resort sort of skill. I also never said that you couldn't use Quick Aura for non-halberd builds; I actually use this skill for a lot of my builds.
     
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    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    Its easier said than done thats all I can say.
    Mp charge while staff equipped or ampr with knux/1h is 100times better than relying on that skill for mp recovery.
    Halberd has too many cons than actual pros to work as a pure tank.
     
  17. Komibii

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    The advantage of WCoS it that it is safer to use compared to MP charge. MP charge requires you to stay locked in one position for 6 sec, so for non-staff or md users, WCoS is better, but it only works at 55%hp. For staves and mds though, MP Charge is better because the charge time is heavily reduced.

    MPC takes 6 seconds without a staff or md, so your mp recovered per second is 50 (staff = 100, md = 75)

    WCS takes 2 seconds without a halberd, so your mp recovered per second is 50, and like I said, it is easier to use, but comes at the cost of 1mp, and the requirement that your hp is 55% or less. Further, if you have a halberd equipped, your mpr/s is 100 due to the skill's charge time being only 1 second.
     
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    Iirc even with high cspd warcry of struggle took around 14-16secs to regain 400mp, the casting is fast but its the motion speed that lets it down
     
  19. mayam

    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    Your are forgetting the skill has animation of 1sec+ means its total recovery is still much less than 100mp/sec.
    You can use a stop watch and see for yourself. It takes 6-7sec for WCoS as well to recover 3mp. I tried to defend this skill back in the day dude ^^ but I didnt be stubborn about using it when people said it was useless, theres stuff better for mp recovery.
    Can I ask you to record a video of you tanking while successfully managing to use the skill while fighting a strong boss on nm mode now?
     
  20. Komibii

    Komibii [TITLE] Elite Member

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    Well, I decided to take you up on your offer. Here it is:

    Would you like some fries with that?



    But no, really, the animation speed on WCoS isn't that bad.
     
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