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bow vs bowgun

Discussion in 'Hunter' started by Fremea, May 8, 2017.

  1. Fremea

    Fremea Active Member

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    For anyone who's confused on which one to use. I made a quick test earlier to get the average DPS for both weapon. I ran Boss colon nightmare by casting impact > snipe(smite) from the initial stand point, 10x with bow and 10x with bowgun. This maybe too little to draw a conclusion but based on my experience with both weapons it should be enough to reflect most scenarios.

    Setup:

    Stats: 255dex 20str
    Skills: maxed snipe, level 7 impact and maxed all bow passives. 5-5-10-5 battle skills(atk up, whack, crit up and intimidating power)
    Equipment: mithril arrow, adv d7111111 roga jade, gothic hat warmonger, dex talis III metal stinger
    BG: ice gun hail 90+S atk 7% crit dmg 4% crit dmg 11 crit rate 11 ganglef
    Bow: grand horn 65+S atk 7% crit dmg 3% crit dmg 11 crit rate 11 ganglef

    Results:

    BOW

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    23644 n
    47788 c
    48272 c
    52659 c
    47788 c
    23632 n
    47788 c
    46823 c
    46340 c
    47788 c

    Avg = 43252.2

    BOW GUN

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    65005 c
    26494 n
    32727 n
    46107 c
    56690 c
    57446 c
    24934 n
    23766 n
    72563 c
    56690 c

    Avg = 46242.2

    TL;DR
    bow: cheaper more consistent damage
    bow gun: high random damage

    P.S. : If I missed anything please let me know. Thanks in advance :)
     
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  2. kariin

    kariin Patience is a Virtue Staff Member MODERATOR Super Likable Elite Member Wiki Contributor Epic Member

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    sooo awesomeee!!
     
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  3. BK

    BK The Best Elite Burger Known To Mankind Staff Member MODERATOR Elite Member Epic Member

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    If both the same atk like 1.7k when bow/bg equipped i believe they can hit the same dmg, but bows would be alot more consistent which is pretty awesome because bows are underrated
     
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  4. Rarewulf

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    Wouldn't the @65 of bow affect the damge out put from the @90 of the bow gun ??don't u think that a huge difference?
     
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    bows have a higher stability which means it hits at a more consistent rate than bg
     
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  6. mayam

    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    Your critical rate is only 70% If you had tried with 90+ crit rate bg wouldnt even stand a chance as even at 70 the bow is already so close to bg in terms of average dmg.
    Low stability and nerf on critical rate is whats ruining the dps for bg even if it got like 300 more atk than bow if it cant hit consistently theres no point.
     
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    edited first post forgot to mention both had ganglef on em and the character used was level 98

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    It didn't sadly, because of the low stability and the crit penalty.
     
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    Alittle off topic, I'm not well know it bow how much should sell my bow?? Sorry u guys seem to be expert on bow and bowgun lol
     

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    that bow has super low stability, 40%. n i personally don't like those stats, eps since ur bow isn't that stable
     
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    So what the amount I should sell it ?
     
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    idk i dont sell stuff with stats on it...or many things at all. should prolly create a thread elsewhere for it. since it's veering way off topic here.
    oh n some bow users do enjoy the low stability inconsistency for a chance at a super high atk
     
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  13. Fremea

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    Re-tested after today's update.

    Setup : only difference from last time are the following

    stats : from 20 to 82 str, dex still 255
    skills : atk up, whack, crit up and intimidating power all level 10
    armor : from d7c121212(roga,jade) to c7c121212 (cerabes,jade)

    Bow
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    Bowgun
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    TL;DR
    Seems like snipe damage was increased with today's update. Not sure if bow just got lucky with crits but nonetheless the results are the same, bow being more stable than BG.
     
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    Snipe on bow got like a 25-30% increase on snipe10, which is pretty awesome and exceeded expectations, now bows are truly strong, also arrowrain is bae on bow
     
  15. Fremea

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    Made bowguns obsolete though, they should have removed the crit penalty to compensate for the increase in damage in return.

    I'll do further tests later using a crit stat character to check if bowguns are still viable.
     
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    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    By looking at your results I would say bg didnt get any boost for snipe only bow did.
    The 80k from bg is just whack activating.

    Current bow formula = (atk + 400)*10
    Current bg formula = (atk + 400)*10.5
    In short before update bg did 31% more damage than bow but now it only does 5% more damage than bow.

    Tbh theres totally no point in using bg if you are a pure sniper :)
     
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    Anyone made build for new update for bow like including arrow rain? Since l heard the damage of the shot skill increase dramatically for bow XD
     
  18. BK

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    A few ppl have 1 including me that involves a 130/150% arrowrain and 150% snipe but i was planning on remaking mine before shot skill buffs announcement dunno about others tho
     
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    hi
     
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    as bk said we can definitely see the dmg diff of bows vs bgs. but if ur using bg keeping it simple to snipe only isn't the best idea as for now. overall bow dmg output is better now for snipe with the boost :p
     

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