Brawler needs huge rework

Well, as long as the weapons work as they do. You'll see even more Staff/Sword/Gun-Fu builds if the attacks are OP. I'm honestly hoping they give Knuckles a Passive skill or buff in the last of the 3rd skill line. I give up on the other two skills. On the bright side. Most AGI/CRT brawlers may be able to use an elemental weapon with 100% critical rate. So that'll be fun. (It is fun)

They could do literally anything they want with the skills. The two skills are likely going to be one "Fist" move and one "Kick" move. Geobreaker would fit fine with the fist move or Death Blow would fit. An NPC already hinted at Death Blow being a skill, so we're just going with that for now. Either would work for me as long as they have good debuffs and good damage/AoE.

 

Maybe both :v one from upper tier(heavy smash>geo breaker) and the other one is inline with triple kick(death blow) or vice versa we just need to wait till lvl 150..

Hoping for knux main buff too that won affect fu builds.. Or the upcoming 150 skills will be dealing greater with knux main than knux sub..

 

I don't know think they'll go anywhere near nerfing FU's like that. At least not damage wise. I believe Asobimo intended this because as a weapon, Knuckles are unique in their defensive (shields, daggers, status effects) alongside their offensive capabilities. I'm almost certain they're understanding of the situation is that any other weapon using martial skills is a super offensive focus with nerfed chances to proc important skills and rather crappy defensive capabilities. So they probably feel the situation is fine. If they keep the dps within 60% ~ 80% of FU builds, they've probably met what they set out to do for the most part. Since we are the "balanced" weapon.

 

:v poor brawlers then we cant d so much dmg like fu build cuz the atk/stat iant that balance.. We need more atk/agi

 

Sorry, I meant AGI and CRT (was thinking about my farmer mage there, lol.).

How much HP do you guys have?
I have a nagging feeling brawlers are meant to be pure tanks, and not having VIT now sucks. I was in a party doing Yelb on NM with 3 experienced fellas, they survived and damaged like a boss. I died in 1 spell that did 6k dmg.

All these pure DPS Brawler builds seem gimmicky, since we'll never be DPS till tier 4. For the record, I haven't slotted my Roga xtal as I'm still farming for my armor of choice :/

 

why even insist on brawlers on having pure dps op damage when in the first place it was meant to interupt, dodge, and do decent damage. end game xp mobs will have high damage, high hp and i believe brawlers will shine on those when they can just dodge attacks while pure dps gettin wrecked unless they one shot em. thats why ninjas and monks high lvl in iruna are leveling beasts they seldom get hit.

by the way this is just like how people complain about monks in iruna when it just started. they said its crap low dmg cant survive and they were wrong in the end.

 

also if ever they will implement it here, in iruna some claws/knuckles can heal your hp while attacking ex. dragons claw. add gear: huge cherry blossom heal chance by auto attack so they are gears that makes em unli hp. current map dark castle is like a speck of content atm.

 

I think under the recommended stats for OHS, VIT was listed, but not for Knucks.

I went on that basis until I registered for this forum and read more about it in detail. It's the only class to date that does subpar damage with a primary weapon even when your stats are built pure. I'm not trying to be a DPSwhore, I'm trying to be able to solo unpopular bosses where its hard to get a party without spending like 10 mins each fight.

 

U dont have to be a dps whore to solo a boss. If u wanna practice try soloing gigant knight at saham creater.. A lil tip dont spam ur flimch/tumble etc.. Since we have resistance cooldown

 

Read: not spend 10 mins on a fight. I'm solo farming Yelb occassionally now and it's taking me many minutes per fight, so that's inefficient and stuff.

 

I did gigant knight in less than 5mins :v g.knight is my punching bag with my brawler

 

Uh...yes, yes....I totally agree that knux skills need a boost.
Give them way more dmg and boost Shell Breaks proc rate.

It would be totally fair...for knux...<_<…>_>…

 

I don't think we need another month of everyone turning back into "fu's" "staff fu, gun fu etc." Still today I get beyond cocky staff fu's that think they are the shit because of how much dmg they can role out by abusing a brawler skill Yes I said Brawler skill. When imitacia first came out I had a brawler that took full aggro away from me even when me and another mage would full spam dagger-mage combo He or she would interpret every aoe and even break for us, Brawlers in all as a one full class are "Hey! Don't look at them Look at ME!" kinda class, But this is all just my opinion There are not useless just not ment for dps (At this moment, Wait for Death blow)

 

Welp knux might have its comeback late game i mean with agi as main stat it will gain a lot of motion speed late game... And it will be the king of AA and fast skill combos...

Since peeps here used iruna as reference mot.speed replaced atk.interval.cut from iruna... And even brawler passives has a physical type autoskill...

Late game build might be AA build with physical/magical autos and skill combos just for interrupt or ailments... Sooo best breaker evah

And knux in iruna has better attck increment with +2 atck from both agi and str means they nerfed knux a lot...

And pls remember that a full dps monk is still squishy af... So dodge might help but won't be OP and will be countered by newer bosses later

 

It's not so much that Knuckle mains want OP damage, it's more so that we don't want to get out-paced heavily using skills meant for knuckles. I don't think anyone here is seriously like, "Let's overthrow 2-handed swords, Bows, and mages huehuehue", it's more so that we have to compare to other characters that use our skills. Even if FU builds weren't so absurdly strong we'd still be trying to compare with them when using a fully offensive Knuckle build. They just simply do it much better right now, which is frustrating when you consider that the Knuckle is used as a fashion accessory.

It's honestly more of a Geo Monk vs Claw Monk thing. Just that Geo Monk, gets 50% more base Critical Damage, higher or comparable atk growth, and was fortunate enough to get high skill multipliers meant for a low ATK class.

Brawlers are fine otherwise. We have all of the tools necessary to do what we're meant to do. We have enough damage when geared to be helpful with DPS when our job isn't needed, and we live a pretty long while. I just kind of wish that every single change we got wasn't a powerful buff to FU builds every single time we go about it. Small to moderate, sure. Massive buff that makes the buff on the Knuckle side seem lackluster in comparison, no bueno. Then again, I guess we'll see how much things grow as we obtain maxed AGI/CRT to allow itemization into CDMG/CDMG%/Elements/ASPD/ATK%/ASPD%/AGI/AGI% purely. It 's just going to take like. A year.

 

true i see your point. anyway hope they release a really good skill just for brawlers only. like skill damage based on attack speed or something which only brawlers will have an advantage which no fus can use. or just release a high attack knuckles to compensate for that dismal stat growth.

 

I think we'll be fine for the most part. Passives only work on main hand, so that might tip the scales a little bit. Otherwise as long as the skills have helpful debuffs i'm down for just about anything. FU's will hopefully stay strong as well though with the new skills that come up.

I'd rather not have a high ATK knuckle, because I guarantee they'll drop the stability to like 70% like they did with Hard Knuckles, and that was garbage since we need 200 DEX to provide 5% stability. If it means we don't have 90% minimum stability, don't bring it here. I'll live with my puny ATK gains tyvm. We don't really need high attack knuckles once we have maxed crit rate either. Since CDMG and Elements will all just be straight multipliers all the time. Combine that with massive motion speeds and all of a sudden we hit a power spike 2 or 3 years in the making? Just got to be patient. It's more of something to gripe about rather than something that's an actual problem anyway. FU's can keep the high attack gains and everything else since they stay more or less the same forever and have their own flaws i'm sure. So yeah, keep things as is. We'll live. o:.

Too be honest, i'm way more disappointed with the Priest Skill tree being garbage, when it could have provided some nice Knuckle specific buffs. It honestly feels like a missed opportunity for Mages and Brawlers.

 

They made lower branch of priest skills garbage so that it could be rerevamped

 

Brawler not for DPS c.c idk y everyone wanna try make it into DPS class and compete with stuff like BG(what op said). I mean sure you're free to try if u wanna but there's no place for DPS brawlers in this meta.

 

i use warcry on my brawler lol. but waiting for a revamp