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[Build] Full AGI Brawler (Knuckles + Dagger) + Evasion Database

Discussion in 'Brawler' started by NineArts, Jan 20, 2016.

  1. NineArts

    NineArts Well-Known Member

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    Change Log
    (1/21/2015): updated skills distribution
    About: Collaboration

    With [v3 build] coming to completion, i will be doing a Full AGI build. However, it's better to have this guide with the combined efforts of others.

    So, this will be a collaborative guide, this guide will also include an Evasion Database, so that we will know if we will have to go away from that AOE.

    I still have hope on Full AGI Brawler builds, they all need is a sub class like Blade ~> Dual Swords, or a skill damage buff, and this class will be great to use as DPS too. If they add like steel boots and make it's main stat STR to add up to your total base attack, this class will shine (i do hope they add that thing).​

    Lastly, If you haven't checked my other guide, check it now to boost your character: [link]

    Concept

    We will be using Flee+Evasion stacking. Given that those two things don't go well with Magical Attacks or Physical Critical Attacks (Flee and Evasion don't activate on those), we have to be familiar with each boss pattern of attack (to know what attacks to always avoid).

    My preferred sub is daggers (Army Knife), if we activate Evasion Effect during combo, we backstep, at this moment, you can do two things:

    A. move your character forward to continue your combo (however if you get Flinched/Tumbled/etc. your combo is cancelled).

    B. double tap your auto attack to resume auto attacks and cancel combo.
    However, you can use Mirror Shield to side step instead of backstep (to avoid your combos being interrupted).
    Also, we will add Quick Draw Lv.10 on this build (30% chance to trigger 1 MP Bar per skill) because we are using 6 skill 1 MP Bar combos.

    This setup is not so complicated like that of my xbow+knuckles, where we stack alot of concepts to aid on all areas of the build.

    And because of the 6 skill combo, you will accumulate too much aggro securing your Tank Rank, and because you are using too many breaking skills, securing your Breaker Rank.

    Remember: in this build, you are not a DPS, you are a Tanker and Breaker, if you want to go DPS, i suggest either using @Precaria's Sniper build [link], Storm Mage or if you want to still use Triple Kick, use @equites's staff+knuckles configuration [link], my other build xbow+knuckles [link] still needs to reach Lv.150 to get it's actual potential so that one is for long term play.

    With your high Flee and Evasion paired with Lethargy Effect (reduce target's attack) from Heavy Smash, you will survive tanking/breaking.

    Equipment

    Weapon: Knuckles+Army Knife
    Armor: (Light Remodelled) Killer Coat (i really love BB Garb, but the penalties are not so friendly, maybe i can do a side-by-side test)
    Addition: Mole Eyes (+10% evasion) + ??? (no more S.Roar, too much penalty, and AMPR will be handled by item like Purple/Blue Gelatin)
    Accessory: Speed Talisman II (npc craft) + Eerie Xtal​


    Skill + Combo Setup

    Lv.75 (115/115), FULL AGI, No Personal Stat Learned, Pending Stat Choice after Lv.95 (when AGI stat is maxed at 255 points)

    xx = level limit, skill requirement only

    Smash Lv.5 - (xx)
    Bash Lv.10
    Shell Break Lv.5 - (xx, 2.5 seconds break at Lv.5, still 30% chance of break at Lv.10, the "broken glass effect". during break: +25-30% damage)
    Heavy Smash Lv.5 - (xx, Lethargy, default +50% chance, no data about exact increasing probability+% per level, sources say it does increase per level)
    Sonic Wave Lv.10
    Earth Bind Lv.5 - (xx)
    Triple Kick Lv.10
    Aggravate Lv.10 - +5 ampr

    ??? Lv.1 - (xx, to execute Triple Kick with Smite with no double MP penalties)

    Holy Fist Lv.1 - (xx, combo bridge)

    MP Charge Lv.1 - (xx, need some form of MP regen before boss battles, pair it with Purple/Blue Gelatin)

    Light Armor Mastery Lv.10 - (utilize your Light Armor attribute)

    Shot Mastery Lv.5 - (xx)
    Long Range Lv.5 - (xx)
    Quick Draw Lv.10 - (spamming combo goodness, 30% chance to gain 1 MP Bar on each skill used, so with a 6 skill combo, this is a must)

    Drop Rate Lv.10 - (+25 on drop table from @Mugami)
    Safe Rest Lv.5 - (xx)
    HP Boost Lv.7 - (max at next cap, use Vita Plus II & Regera)


    Sonic Wave/Smash ~> Heavy Smash (Save) ~> Holy Fist/Sonic Wave ~> Bash (Cons) ~> Shell Break (Cons) ~> Triple Kick (Smite) ~> ???

    1st type: Sonic Wave... Holy Fist... can be used on bosses that do Guard Effect when Flinched like that of Demon's Gate

    2nd type: Smash... Sonic Wave... will be your most used combo because it has the highest Breaker Rank value.

    ??? - will never activate due to weapon requirements, because you are using Knuckles+Dagger, the best candidate for this would be Power Shot (Archer Tree) or Hard Hit (Blade Tree).

    Holy Fist - to use as bridge if we need to avoid using Smash (Guard Effect during Flinch)​


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  2. NineArts

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    Evasion Database
    I will refer to this myself often, i don't have a good memory LOL. This section will contain a screenshot as to how the AOE area looks like if the attack will be a magical type. Screenshots will be coming according to boss.

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    (and more space)
     
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    I can help you with this, im doing an MD Brawler full agi build right now. maxed power wave. but more on ampr build
     
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    hmm, build modifier? Knucks + (Dagger or MD)?
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    going with just an MD, Metal Wings to be precise since it has evasion and crit rate
     
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    hmm, interesting. now that you mentioned it, i think it's best if we do this as a collaborative guide, because if we add in the boss patterns on which to avoid, it may take work.

    Metal Wings have +10% Evasion Rate, +8 Critical Rate, +200 Max MP (and i think in the future they will add higher values)

    also, i think @Mugami mentioned that MD will remove the Power Wave damage penalty.
    and with MD as sub, you will not backstep, you will side step continuing your combo, which is pretty slick

    what do you think? :D

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    Looking forward for this buid wonder how much DMG that double stab worth
     
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    Sure ^^ i'd love too. my skill path tho is getting power wave maxed, maxing magweap mastery and lvl 7 impact then getting until lvl 10 triple kick. i've also tried this before but the skill build was wrong so i had to restart. at 1400 aspd i was hitting hard and alot even before the enemy can come near me. and yes power wave's penalty is removed when using md so you get the same damage as using a knuckle. the only drawback is your martial skills hit around 75% of what the damage would be when using knuckles
     
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    If going for evasion as well than a MD could work (metal wings give crit rate and evasion and +200 MP), but status rates (chance of happening) are lower without knuckles.
    That's why I'm not doing full agi magic device, but a fairy magic brawler instead [int/agi] w/ a combo that uses impact [save] and triple kick [smite], but its currently in the works. Just note that impact's purpose in my case isn't to cut mp cost, but rather tumble and start save with [save on impact isn't too weak do to 200-250% damage boost from MD main weapon).

    But, anyways, If going for evasion with knuckle dagger...

    Volcanic Claws (Boss Version) ~ +1 Attack MP Recovery, +4% Dodge, +3% Motion Speed, +4% Evasion (I think, correct me if I'm wrong)
    Army Knife ~ +200 MP, + 2 DEX, +10% Evasion
    B.B. Garb (Light) ~ +9% Short Range Damage, +30% Dodge, forgot the rest...
    Forest Wolf Cape ~ +5 AGI, +5% [Dodge, Evasion, Attack Speed or Motion Speed?]
    [Insert Special Gear Here]

    With:

    Godspeed Level 10, Light Armor Level 10, Dodge Up Level 10?, Double Stab Level 10.

    From a perspective ignoring the previous "addicted to evasion" info above...

    If going from the knuckles with power wave level ? perspective...one could create a ranged-debuff brawler. Let's call it a wave brawler.

    So pretty much you spam normal attack [can buff with dagger and knuckle passives] (ranged with power wave) for mp recovery and then use the following combo:
    sonic wave> spike dart (consecutive) or spike dart> sonic wave (consecutive)

    ...often [taking tumble cool-down into account], and now bosses have got this really annoying brawler that keeps spiking and throwing waves at them from a distance XD.
     
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    I tried the fairy brawler build. going max arrow max lance lvl 7 impact then max power wave and quick cast. then getting until max tri kick and martial mastery.

    it's good as a utility damager when hunting minibosses. went 1:1 agi int. the damage is great. you dont get much to evade since you have range advantage of 10m
     
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    Sadly you can't use dagger skill on MD :/ may I know the DMG deal of .double stab? When doing evasion attack thanks
     
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    its based on your daggers damage multiplied by a percentage depending on your throw dagger skill if im correct. i noticed a difference in damage of evasion attacks using daggers while having lvl 5 throw dagger and lvl 10 throw dagger.
     
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    guide updated:

    (1/20/2016): updated About section and Thread Title, Added Evasion Database section.

    i will combine inputs about this topic later, got to level my full agi brawler first (deleted my previous Lv.75, the v2).

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    @Mugami, Evasion will not add up from M.Dev when you equip a Knuckle+M.Dev combination, right?
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    @TheShadow I'm quite certain Volcanic Claws' numbers were 1-2-3-4, respectively.

    I guess for maximum evasion, the gears are Volcanic claws, Army Knife, Light remodeled armor, Mole Eyes, and possibly Sandveil Ring?(evasion+1% aggro-30% and last stat is earth resist I think)
     
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    Iirc stat bonuses from MD doesn't work when used as sub because it's a main weapon (Pretty sure knuckles would be the same) also being a pure AGI means you will be a natural tank so my build has at least lvl 5 short rest and lvl 1 fighter's high so I can force regen on non-field bosses. I'm still waiting for a higher lvl cap so I can get Godspeed for additional AGI but having not knowing about quick draw before I ran out of sp sucks
     
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    Build Updated:
    (1/21/2015): updated
    Concept/Equipment section, Added Skill + Combo Setup section.

    what do you guys think of the skill and combo setup? SP: 113/115

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    Yep, it does.

    Edit: oh forgot. Int builds using mds on Brawlers will see power wave do more damage than normal melee attacks at lvl10.

    And we should party sometime. I can make myself dizzy. Lol

    A part you may want to remember:
    When you sidestep, you can back up and stall your combo to avoid an aoe.
    Just a friendly btw.
     
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    @WindSlash
    For max Eva yes.
    But jamhadar is 40% crit
    That's 2 of 5 statuses don't ever miss due to accuracy. This leads to higher survivability and better aggro.
    (accuracy vs mental still applies)
    Sometimes the best defense is a better offense. Brawlers need balance. This is an example.
     

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