dagger vs shield

I have dagger as secondary now but thinking of changing to shield with the free reset. What's everyone's opinion on dagger vs shield for knucks main? Which is better/more fun?

 

Dagger is more on those who want to have more evasion, shield is more on stable because with shield you can have more resisting, more defense, and some may get PDef for this unevaded attack.

BTW I’m using dagger, just because of i don’t like the shield look like a turtle shell XD

 

Depends on main weapon and/or stats

 

Dagger skills are pretty lame right now.

If evasion is your thing, then by all means, use it.

As a melee class, I prefer the knuck shield combo so you get the balance between dmg and resists. (vulcan shield ftw)

 

I definitely wouldn't say daggers are lame
500+k damage with Gatling Knife is both fun to use and see

 

agi knuc able to make it 500k?

 

Idk but Gatling Knife uses Str, agi and dex for its damage
Halberd just happens to have high power, and uses str+agi for attack

I think its good for ohs too because it uses str and dex

I've been playing with it on my halb-dagger and god I love it
It beats SS both for its range and if amazing throw procs it does so much damage
Doesn't need so much setting up too so you don't need to use other physical skills like poison or spike dagger to set up for it
And if I understand prorat correctly using two physical skills before SS will lower the damage dealt with it

 

OIC, because this post is locate in brawler so I guess it's should be Full AGI build. I do try Gatling Knife long time ago but the damage is terrify low. STR build should be more recommended for this skill.

 

Oh wow I didn't even notice this was brawler lol

Uhhh if its brawler honestly since they go full agi I wanna say dagger
Mail breaker has 10% chance to recover 100mp and it has 50% phys Pierce for dagger

With the high aspd and dagger skills you can apply a few status ailments on the boss

Slow, poison, fear
And when you proc evasion you deal damage as well
With aggravate+hidden arm+intensive you can do a good amount of hits for breaker rank

 

This is what it looks like on my halberd

If you're interested on the dps side I recommend this
Fast prorat, inflict statuses, high af dodge

Shield for the more defensive side or if you're tank

Dagger for damage
I haven't tinkered with knucks much so I don't know how the stat growth is but yeah thats my thoughts

 

thanks everyone!
this is the brawler forum so my main weapon is knucks of course, currently at level 115, agi 255, rest in crit, nothing to other stats yet. equipment is ASPD and evasion focused.

i find i tend to take a lot of damage; at the same time i can't do a lot of damage (basically the worst of both worlds). i get breaker pretty easily though. just wondering if i could improve my survivability by switching to shield. is the difference significant?

 

Not rly, unless you are tank with lot of resist, or if you can refine your shield at least to C. For survivability better increase hp, at least 6k without any buff. Lot of mini boss and boss can deal >5k.

And changing to shield is better if u equip heavy armor. And this means you need to change your skill set(a bit, for shield mastery) and your equip (change eva, push more aspd).

 

shield is better, dagger is just bad low damage on hidden arm+ intense knife and mail breaker.

 

Actually switching Shield and Dagger not helping much on damage reduce if you HP still remain low.

I do try to use Ginko ( Increase 25% Magic and Physical Resistant ), with about 6k HP i still have same problem like what you say. It's not 1HKO, but the Boss status ailment + Skill Combo kill me. So now I change my build to 1K Flee, 50% Evasion, and 8K HP.

There is other way to increase your survivability.
1.) Shorten the Combo Set - Most of time we (brawler) get damage because we are in the middle of combo, so change your combo set will help on increase survivability
2.) Manual Dodge - This is the best skill to stay surviving, no SP needed, no MP consume and 100% zero damage received.
3.) Read the Circumstances(Bad English Sry~) - Sometime you must read the pattern of the boss, do not just hit and spam skill like crazy. Understand when the boss will use skill, the time release skill, when the combo going to use, it's may need few round to understand. If you play before MONSTER HUNTER, you should know this is very important.
4.) Use Support Item - Very less player think about this, Toram do provide a lot of support item like GEM and the Resistance item, those item will help to reduce the damage by specific boss and increase your personal stat, most people only use VITA, MANA and SPEED potion, but it's more than you know if you go visit Alchemist.

 

You can actually help the combo issue by spamming quick aura
1sp off halberd skill tree, just set short cut on the top four and spam the button if boss us about to unleash an aoe, its saved me often
As for hp, I think 6K or 7K is enough and when you use buffs dragon steak+lyark tranquilizer gives you 2500+ to your hp

Only real threat would be fractional and gem boosted bosses or higher difficulty
Can't be helped if its a relatively new boss, you'll die unless you're prepared for it

And you don't necessarily need to shorten the combo
This is where dagger or another ranged skill comes in handy

Segmenting combos to have ranged requirements help so you can control the flow at which you use skills
If you want to smite a skill for damage you can use things like reflex, quick aura or warcry as fillers in the combo, then shukuchi or move in range to use the next skill that's to be smited
I'm just commenting the things I do for my halb but it should work too for other classes

 

Using quick auro to force cancel the combo ?

 

Yup, just spam the skill in between the combo and it'll do quick aura sometimes instead

 

Im using both dagger and shield...shield when solo run and exchange it to dagger when partying with other...
Knux are my main char and now im at lvl 155 ^^

 

Agi = evasion. Evade not guard. Use dagg

 

agi is dodge. evasion is different than dodge