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DPS + SUPPORRT + TANKER MAGE, Is that possible??

Discussion in 'Mage' started by Trimino, Jun 27, 2018.

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In your honest opinion, what do you think about this build??

  1. This seems very good actually!

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  2. I would like to say it's good enough, for now

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  3. This is so bad honestly

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  4. I don't know what to say/respond

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  1. Trimino

    Trimino Member

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    I'm supposed to keep this build for my own, but since my close friends forced my to share it then here comes nothing...

    A 3 in 1 Mage build (DPS + SUPPORT + TANK)

    Disclaimer: everything posted here is originally mine, I honestly never dive in to the forum to see whether someone already did this (also I'm new here) so if there is any copyright infringement please contact me. Thank you.

    Without any further ado, here comes the main part!

    Stats overview
    INT = 255 Point then VIT = 182 Point

    Skills overview, there are Required skills, Secondary skills, and Optional skills.

    Warcry = Level 10
    Sneak Attack = Level 10*
    Magic: Impact = Level 7/Level 10
    Magic: Finale = Level 10
    Magic Mastery = Level 10*
    MP Charge = Level 10*
    Power Wave = Level 5/
    Level 10
    Maximizer = Level 10
    Shield Bash = Level 10

    Shield Cannon = Level 10
    Protection = Level 10*
    Aegis = Level 10

    Guardian = Level 10
    Perfect Defense = Level 10
    Provoke = Level 10*
    Bless = Level 10*
    Gloria = Level 10
    Enhanced Bless = Level 10

    Holy Fist = Level 1*
    Play Dead = Level 10*
    HP Boost = Level 10

    First Aid = Level 10*
    Recovery = Level 5/
    Level 10
    Sanctuary = Level 10
    Heal = Level 10

    A skill that have asterisk sign in the end of the skill name indicates that I used a Star Gem for that skill.

    Skills that using Star Gems instead of SP:
    Magic Mastery, saved 10 SP
    Provoke, saved 10 SP
    Sneak Attack, saved 15 SP
    Holy Fist, saved 1 SP
    MP Charge, saved 5 SP
    Bless, saved 5 SP
    First Aid, saved 10 SP
    Play Dead, saved 10 SP
    Protection, saved 5 SP
    Total Saved SP = 71 SP
    Total estimated maximum used SP (without star gems) = 298 SP.
    Total estimated maximum used SP with all mentioned Star Gems above collected = 298 - 71 = 227


    Equipment Overview:
    Since this is 3 in 1 build, you will also need more than 1 set of equipment. Here is the list of set that I use for each role.
    Note: Don't expect any sultan classed equipment because most of my equipments (except Add gear and Ring) are 0-slotted. Also I only used equipments from boss drop/NPC crafted equipment. The equipments stated below are equipments that I'm using right now and might be updated sooner or later.

    1st set: DPS + Support Set
    Staff: Bloom of Peace/Spirit's Tear Boss Drop Version/Queen Staff
    Shield: Coffin Shield
    Armor: Holy Robe Boss Drop Version/Fortistra Boss Drop Version
    Add Gear: Lil Devil Barette (xtall used: Choco Ooze II)
    Ring: Magic Talisman IV/Philosopher's Ring (xtall used: MP +200)

    2nd Set: Tanker Set
    Weapon: Priest Mace NPC Craft Version
    Shield: Dark General's Shield
    Armor: Brigandine NPC Craft Version/Twilight Dress Boss Drop Version/Holy Robe NPC Craft Version
    Add Gear: Circle of Order (xtall used Dusk Machina)
    Ring: Magician's Ring/Dark Fighter Bangle (xtall used: Tapir)

    You can improve your set if you have Spina to spend to make your very own set even more powerful by making it 2-slotted/refine all equipments to +S. Or get creative by swapping gears if necessary to create your very own set either for DPS/Supporting/Tanking purpose.

    Combo Overview:
    I have prepared several combo for several purposes. For details, check here:

    Combo 1: Impact > Finale (Smite/Swift) > Holy Fist (Cons) For main attacking combo
    Combo 2: Bless > Warcry (Save) > Gloria (Swift) > Holy Fist (Smite) Main supporting combo
    Combo 3: Protection > Aegis (Cons/Swift) Additional supporting combo
    Combo 4: Bless > Warcry (Save) > Gloria (Swift) > Protection (Swift) > Aegis (Swift) Use this if you prefer long combo and want to cast every available buffs in one go
    Combo 5: Bless > Gloria (Cons/Swift) Main supporting combo IF you do not take Warcry
    Combo 6: Holy Fist > Guardian (Save) > Warcry (Smite) Basic tanking combo
    Combo 7: Holy Fist > Guardian (Save) > Finale (Smite) Basic tanking combo if Warcry did not learned. The Finale (Smite) in the end of combo WILL NOT be activated because the cost will be 2k++ MP (penalty from Smite tag at the end of combo), also means that FINALE ACTS AS COMBO CANCELING SKILL/ENDER

    OR

    You can make your own combo setup if you want. Just make sure that combo feels comfortable to the user since different player have different taste

    How to use/utilize this build?
    Depending of your party necessity. If you are given DPS roles then go using usual DPS style while also keeping yourself survive. I personally feel proud when me and a tanker is the only surviving player during normal run/gemruns. And if you are forced to be a tanker then prepare your Tanker playstyle + equipment set and use high aggro equipment and/or high aggro generating combo

    Thank you for taking your time reading this :):);)

    Regards, Trimino
     
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  2. Trimino

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    Reserved :")
     
  3. Plant Prince

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    I'd love to see this in action. When I started Toram, and heard it was a classless build, I decided that I wanted to have multiple roles (healing, doing damage, buffing). But later on I stuck to a shield mage set-up instead (though I wasted 3 sps in early game for Lvl 1 MP Regen Lvl 1 Aid and Lvl 1 Mini Heal ) This looks more exciting than an impact-finale-holy fist zombie mage x.x. Hoping you can record yourself in action hehe
     
  4. Trimino

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    I wish i could record how i use this char but R.I.P., my phone did not supported to record it, also I don't have another device to record my screen. Tbh I wished someone willing to follow this build AND record its gameplay so everyone could realize its capability in most random party.
    And thanks for taking your time reading and understandin this thread :):)
     
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  5. Nevaeh

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    It reads too well to be true. May someone please test it and start playing?
     
  6. BK

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    This build can work, it was basically what mine was before i removed a few skills, tho i didnt take gloria because its bad pretty much
     
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  7. Komnenos

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    Basicly my build is a simplified version to Trimino's one and I call it Mage Auxiliary.Because it can really save whole team at very time.
    Actually,support-tank-dps mage is the most reliable comrade in Toram world.Can do tons of damage to boss,make tank teammate inmortal,cover dps pt member,no other class can play so much important role.
    To be honest,I think dps-support-tank will be mainstream mage build,because its so perfect,so easy to build and use.
     
  8. Arakiel

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    Why sneak if u want to tank '-'//... u don't need shield cannon if u already have shield bash for stun. Better to max protection and aegis as when it's lv5, casting both will result in -5% resist in both physical and magical resist. For combo7 pls don't tank and finale at the same time, won't work out well due to cast time and easily interrupted by boss, but if it works well for u, why not. Tbh would suggest u make separate chars for tank and dps.
     
  9. Plant Prince

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    I think he purposely put Finale in combo 7. Imagine that aggro with Guardian and Finale (so it's okay if one can finish casting it or not, the goal is to generate aggro). I also think the Sneak was basically just added in case there's already a tank in the party (DPS and Support). The Shield Cannon is optional, but for me it works, as you can stun a boss from up to 20m (though hopefully not all future bosses have monstrous evasion). It really depends on the playstyle, but this build is multi-faceted and versatile, which would be great in late-game. Hopefully if I save enough Orbs, I'll create a character just for this build. For now, I just really want someone to record this build
     
  10. mayam

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    You will die at boss like zolban, bexiz, lavada, zahhak, guignol if you are stuck on finale cast at the wrong time.
    Finale aggro is just supposed to be a burden not supposed to be used for tanking.
    Even if I were to use mage as a tank I would never use finale to generate aggro.
     
  11. Trimino

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    about combo> Holy Fist > Guardian (Save) > Finale (Smite)
    Finale is just to cancel the combo since smite at combo end DOUBLES the cost and the saved 6 MP from Guardian reduced the finale cost to 1k MP (so when SMITED it will be 2k MP cost)
    Conclusion is, finale is only for combo ender and could not be activated unless you are using mana potion which is a WASTE of 2k MP
    I have tested it myself but as I mentioned above, RIP my phone I could not record it but I have tried that and it's proven the reason why I put Finale Smite in the end
     
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    If you go dps and/or support Sneak is needed. If go tank switch Sneak on hotbar to Provoke. Shield Cannon is optional except for stunning enemies from distance for safety. Higher level only increase durasion, casting both Protection and Aegis gives Physical Resistance +15% and Magic Resistance +15% for 5 minutes and in my opinion 5 minutes is enough for me so I personally keep them to level 5. I put Finale with smite tag is not without reason, please check my reply to mayam's comment. Answering your last question, I just loved this multitasking build because it's easy to use for everyone as mentioned by someone above, also this is what makes me loved this game.
     
  13. Melon Empress Hiira

    Melon Empress Hiira Well-Known Member

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    Im makin somethin like this just recently...

    Stats are vit = lvl rest goes to int Screenshot_2018-07-07-02-52-30.png Skills I have so far Screenshot_2018-07-07-02-52-42.png Screenshot_2018-07-07-02-52-48.png Screenshot_2018-07-07-02-53-02.png Screenshot_2018-07-07-02-53-20.png Combo (yea Im bad at makin combo) Screenshot_2018-07-07-02-53-43.png Gears I use (Im poor (;¬_¬) Screenshot_2018-07-07-02-54-11.png Screenshot_2018-07-07-02-54-17.png Screenshot_2018-07-07-02-54-24.png Screenshot_2018-07-07-02-54-30.png
    P.S. Sorry I cant make a neat post (・_・;)
     
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  14. XsoraD

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    This is how my 3 in 1 build, but my support is base on star gem. In my opinion, we can be a tank and deal a tone of magic damage is the main thing we should do. But remember, this is very high aggro build, also let the real tank do their job if your team have tank.
    This build also works on cheap equipment but it'll required some play skill.
    My status, actually I can just put rest status point on vit, but I need cspd so I put on Dex. Also now my cspd is get slower by some xtal so I'm gonna fix that next time.
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    This is my support skill that I have, for me revive member is the best support ever.
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    And now my skill,
    Arrow skill: Don't underestimate this 1mp, this will save your life. You will know later.
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    Magic skill: I max javelin for long range flinch. Remember Deniala? That wing need this for break though, also same as Ultimea Machina, I use this and stand on right spot to break his head. =^=
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    Martial skill: max armor break for higher chance break monster armor and recover 3mp, if u also trigger Quick Draw itlli become 4mp. You may as: "what's this 4mp can do?" Let's check the next skill.
    Screenshot_20180716-024426.png

    Knight skill: main tanking skill, I max Perfect Defence for 10% HP recovery. This is why I'm saying 1mp can save our lives. Sometimes, I can use this skill to steal aggro from tank (PS. THE TANK IS ALIVE). Also that Assault Attack also a good starter, but I used it for escape some aoe =^=
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    Battle skill: without this can't deal any high damage. Also max the last one first. I max concentrate because it's miss calculating my skill point, but it still worth it =.= Screenshot_20180716-024504.png

    Survival skill: this one is based on what u need, I need to boost cause my HP kinda low (PS. I'M USING IFRID XTAL, NO SLOT FOR BOSS ROGA XTAL)
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    I made this build before the level 4 skill release. At that time I'm already OP enough with those cheap gear (last time storm is my main damage), I can solo most of the bosses, except some sensitive boss like Mozto Machina but I still can handle Lalvada with my old gear.
     
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  15. XsoraD

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    Shield skill: I'll get physical shield and magical shield (I forget the name ._.) for the up coming level cap release.
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    Here's my combo, have 3 set
    1st: (1mp) Breaker combo, also my spam combo, if successful armor break u can restore 2mp (w/o quick draw). But don't use this on sensitive bosses, you'll kill your mate =.=
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    2nd: (5mp) Burst combo, when I get tank this is my main damage combo. This combo need some pre-skill for instant cast. My pre-skill is that 1mp combo (2 magic skill in total) and come with a javelin (3 magic skill in total) then burst combo (including impact, 4 skill in total). That's why I need cspd.
    PS. Burst is fun, sometimes you can push bosses away to cancel some aoe (eg. Bkod spam continuous attack combo) or push it to your mate and kill them
    Screenshot_20180716-024327.png

    3rd: (10mp) Finale combo, starter can be any skill but I recommended no range limit skill is better (eg. Wall, bless…).
    If the team squishy DPs take the aggro, I'll use this to get back aggro. Or if your team have tank just spam this for damage.
    Screenshot_20180716-024330.png

    Here's some tips, this build is very useful in every kind of boss fight, for example:
    1. Team don't have tank, you can use p.def to keep your aggro and let DPs do their work
    2. Team have tank, you can just spam fibale to melt the boss.
    3. If you can't cast finale or can't deal damage (like event gespent or damage limit), you can just use breaker combo to disturb the bosses and let your mate do their job.

    In the conclusion: this build is totally multi role build. Just pick your combo depens on situation.
    I CUSTOMIZE THIS BUILD FROM A PLAYER NAME: SIREGG, I really appreciate can learn his/her build from another forum.
    Hope this can help u guys ^^
     
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    so can u spend stats in dex for this build?
     
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    bloodytolits Hiatus. Playing Ragnarok M Elite Member

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    Increasing the level of Protection/Aegis does not only change its duration but also the positive and negative resist.

    Protection/Aegis Level 5 gives +20% phy/mag resist and -25% phy/mag resist. If you activated both, you'd have a net loss of -5%.

    Level 10 is +30 -15 which is a net gain of 15% if both is activated.

    No, you'd need all the HP you can get to tank properly.

    The only thing that needs casting in this build is Heal(Gloria isn't that good, I don't recommend it.) which is only 1 second cast time so 1k CSPD isn't really needed.

    If you really want CSPD then I'd suggest just get it from gears/crystas.
     
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    Thnx
     
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    I'm just use p.def still can tank properly though :/
     
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    bloodytolits Hiatus. Playing Ragnarok M Elite Member

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    Have you tried tanking 4 or more Mini Boss at once? It's very easy to tank 1 monster. Multiple hard hitting monsters, you'd need the HP so Sanctuary is effective.

    Also this is a Mage build, Dex is pretty much a bad stat for mages.
     

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