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Due to bad experience shop will be closed forever

Discussion in 'Toram Online Buy / Sell / Trade' started by Lucifere, Jan 8, 2017.

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  1. mayam

    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    Use acc-7 :V high accuracy not worth it in toram.
     
  2. aysaysays

    aysaysays Well-Known Member

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    i guess we pt earlier in cassy haha
     
  3. Lord ehm

    Lord ehm Well-Known Member

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    scammers should be banned on parties lmao
     
  4. Wyrix

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    His statement is false....
    If he did really have 255tech statter, then...
    matk-7% gives 42pot return.
    cdmg+%,cdmg+,crit+%,crit+ gives 80% penalty (0.8)
    42 + (42 × 0.8) = +75pot

    Hmmm? I don't have a 39pot cdmg+7%,cdmg+11,crit+11%,crit+11 formula.......
    These are the two 100% formulas listed....


    Minimum Potential: 43
    Step 1: add cdmg+1% (33pot left)
    Step 2: add cdmg+1, modify 9 times, each time adding +1, to end with cdmg+10 (3pot left)
    Step 3: add crit+1 (12pot left)
    Step 4: add crit+1% (1pot left)
    Step 5: add matk-7% (76pot left)
    Step 6: modify crit 11 times, each time adding +1, to end with crit+12 (65pot left)
    Step 7: modify crit% 11 times, each time adding +1, to end with crit+12% (54pot left)
    Step 8: add m.pierce-3%, cdmg+7%, cdmg+12 (-6=100%)

    Minimum Potential: 34
    Step 1: add cdmg+1% (24pot left)
    Step 2: add cdmg+1, modify 6 times, each time adding +1, to end with cdmg+7 (3pot left)
    Step 3: add crit+1 (2pot left)
    Step 4: add crit+1% (1pot left)
    Step 5: add matk-7% (76pot left)
    Step 5: modify crit 11 times, each time adding +1, to end with crit+12 (65pot left)
    Step 6: modify crit% 11 times, each time adding +1, to end with crit+12% (54pot left)
    Step 7: add acc-7, cdmg+7%, cdmg+12 (-6=100%)

    Now using 39pot, even if you use the second formula (matk-7%, acc-7), exactly step by step, you'll end with 0pot left = 100%.
    There's more than enough starting potential.
    (I adjusted the remaining potential to showcase this.)



    Minimum Potential: 39
    Step 1: add cdmg+1% (29pot left)
    Step 2: add cdmg+1, modify 6 times, each time adding +1, to end with cdmg+7 (8pot left)
    Step 3: add crit+1 (7pot left)
    Step 4: add crit+1% (6pot left)
    Step 5: add matk-7% (82pot left)
    Step 5: modify crit 11 times, each time adding +1, to end with crit+12 (71pot left)
    Step 6: modify crit% 11 times, each time adding +1, to end with crit+12% (60pot left)
    Step 7: add acc-7, cdmg+7%, cdmg+12 (0=120%)
     
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  5. WindSlash

    WindSlash Guardian Angel of Picos Elite Member

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    Talked with lucifere, this is what i got
     

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  6. メScye

    メScye Well-Known Member

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    This guy is a 100% liar. LOL. He's giving me 300k in return without my armor. I didn't accept it. Who wants 300k in exchange of a 2slots armor?
     
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    WindSlash Guardian Angel of Picos Elite Member

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    Screenshot_2017-02-26-11-23-21.png Screenshot_2017-02-26-11-23-28.png Screenshot_2017-02-26-11-23-34.png

    This is my update of my mediation. =.=

    Btw, fyi to people who cant believe that players from alpha can't not have the assets to buy 2slot gear. I am a living proof of that. I dont have any spina on me to buy one, and i spend most of it on buying sidequest materials. Also, do have take into consideration that there are people who play this game casually.
     
  8. Norcelia

    Norcelia The hidden Fry Super Likable Elite Member

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    maybe tell him to give the failed garb and all he has from that customer back for now and maybe he will work to get another 2s garb as compensation?
     
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    WindSlash Guardian Angel of Picos Elite Member

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    The thing is, we need @Szchev`'s point of view as well. The story I have seen so far, @Szchev` did not agree to accept anything but a clean 2slot ad. garb and his 2slot praetor arm back.
     
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    How hard is it give him his original armor back and pay him
     
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    yes give back the fail arm and the new , i fail a stat before putting this stat before that stat , feels bad , even now everytime i stat i triple check if i statting it right , yes u cant return back the old but if hes willing to replace it with the proven failed arm , i guess its enough plus the insult he received ,
     
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    Norcelia The hidden Fry Super Likable Elite Member

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    the problem is, luco isn't a rich player even tho he is alpha (yes that happens) so he won't be able to give back an clean 2s rn.
    And if the customer refuses to take the failed and the app back ....then idk
     
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    WindSlash Guardian Angel of Picos Elite Member

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    Again, as stated by aszchev, he was probably only able to compensate 300K spina atm, He'd have to take sometime and sell his other stuff, but as Lucifere said, he can't pay it upfront right away.
     
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    Well why doesn't he at least give back the failed armor, and pay what he can, and give the customer his word that he will pay it back instead of being all pissy
     
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    Norcelia The hidden Fry Super Likable Elite Member

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    from my view because it looks like szech refuses to take it back :")
     
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    Then that's his problem
     
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    WindSlash Guardian Angel of Picos Elite Member

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    this a part of my conversation with lucifere before my 1st ss... which made me decide to start a mediation.
    Screenshot_2017-02-26-11-50-12.png

    From the look of it, he did try to do as @Alzarith said but was refused.
     
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    Norcelia The hidden Fry Super Likable Elite Member

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    please @Szchev` explain in detail what happened (step by step)
     
  19. メScye

    メScye Well-Known Member

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    Who said I want it now? Wtf? I said I will wait, I even asked him when. He's the one who left from our LINE conversation.
     
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    Norcelia The hidden Fry Super Likable Elite Member

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    do u have ss of what u said or he said?
    Bc I remember his English isn't the best :")
    Might be some major misunderstanding
     
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    WindSlash Guardian Angel of Picos Elite Member

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    Welp, what I've shown here is his side of things. From his understanding, you were only accepting was just a 2slot clean praetor arm with blackAB or something similar right away. Which is why i asked if you asked him for the impossible back at the SB. =.=
     
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    @Lucifere You're not even trying to give me my fail arm, you actually want to give me staff and 2H dye +300k, I refused to take all of that because that is not what I need at the very moment. You left from our LINE conversation, closed your shop forever and asking for the devs to ban/delete/remove you out from this forum. That's not the action that I'm expecting from you because that kind of action is an act of guilt. I want you to tell the truth right here right now, I will help you clean your name, you're a 2015 forumer. Don't waste your name and reputation. We can fix this. Quitting or leaving is not the best option here.
     
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  23. WindSlash

    WindSlash Guardian Angel of Picos Elite Member

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    So you WERE gonna be compensated, and failed to mention it. So let's just ask this question then... what is the price for a 2h dye, and what is the price of a 2slot ad. garb? And does 300k makes up for the gap?
     
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    Nope. Not at all. I even asked him when and even game him an option to buy me another armor or just pay via spina. But not right away. I'm not that rude to do that kind of thing in the first place. No one wants this kind of thing to happen in the first place. If he failed my armor, then fine. That's a mistake. Maybe he's just too confident by his stating skill and didn't actually follow @Wyrix formula as is, that's why he messed it up not like @Lord ehm did. That's mistake. But if his way of solving thimgs is to just quit/leave, that's not a good idea. That's not my decision, it's his.
     
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