1. Welcome to the Toram Online Forums. Please make sure to read our rules and be friendly to all our members.
    Click here to read the rules before posting.
    Dismiss Notice

Eva-sword 1h Counter-Attack - Discontinued

Discussion in 'Warrior' started by Saphos, May 14, 2016.

?

Like?

  1. Yes

    2 vote(s)
    100.0%
  2. No

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Saphos

    Saphos Old Sword Nerd Elite Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2015
    Messages:
    1,385
    Likes Received:
    1,245
    IGN:
    Saphoz and my son JoshuaBB
    I cannot verify whether it is true or not, as test results are still pending, however, based on initial test data, DEX seems to have a positive effect on evasion, This build, in progress, shows good results so far. So I post it here and hope some of you will try this build out and share your finding,

    The purpose of this build will be maximizing evasion, and let Astute, Trigger slash and Rage sword provide mediocre DPS while the 2 hit from flash blast will enhance your DPS. Combining the active attack and counter attacks, this build should produce competitive DPS against other sword classes.

    Why not use a DW you ask.
    First, you lose the Evasion from sub weapon. Even if your off hand sword has Evade, it would not apply.
    Second, with Phantom slash, Shadow step and Charging slash, a DW avoids getting hit. If you don't get hit, you lose the chance of evading.
    Third, with dagger I have the potential to add Dagger skills for their utility / poison since this is a full DEX build.

    Stat: Pure DEX

    Weapon: Elemental sword / DEX 4%+Atk 4%
    Sub: Army knife 10% Evade
    Armor: BB Garb 6% Evade <Roga>
    Add: Moke eye 10% Evade <Astol 3% Evade>
    DEX II <Ooze>

    Combo:
    Astute > Reflex > Trigger slash > Rage sword > Flash blast (all Consec)

    The purpose of the combo is to keep Reflex and Flash up, with Rage sword to keep aggro (no aggro, no evade). Trigger slash is to add DPS, so it can be added once you've acquired the more important skills,

    Sword Skills: 25 SP
    Hard hit 5
    Astute 10
    Trigger slash 10

    Dual sword skills: 25 SP
    Dual sword mastery 5
    Reflex 10
    Flash blast 10

    Shot skill: 20 SP
    Shot mastery 5
    Long range 5
    Quick draw 10

    Magic skill: 1 SP
    Charge 1

    Battle skill: 25 SP
    Atk-up 5
    Smash 10
    Crit-up 10

    Guard skill: 10 SP
    Light armor mastery 10

    Knight tree: 15 SP
    Provoke 5
    Rage sword 10

    Survival tree: 15 SP
    Safe rest 5
    HP Boost 10

    Total SP: 136 (I have 140 SP at lvl 95)

    Results so far is promising, at lvl 15, I evade 4-5 times in a 15 sec battle. 2 flash blasts hit 1.5-3.5k per counter-attack. Will have to see its damage potential at higher lvl for a more conclusive report. However, damage potential can be further increased through second stat (STR) or future skills (3T / 4T with Save+Smite).
     
    • Like Like x 2
  2. Norcelia

    Norcelia The hidden Fry Super Likable Elite Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2015
    Messages:
    1,741
    Likes Received:
    3,250
    IGN:
    Norcelia
    In
    Interesting, keep us updated please *^*
     
  3. BlackRex

    BlackRex A Black Bunneh Elite Member

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2015
    Messages:
    1,855
    Likes Received:
    1,209
    IGN:
    BlackRex
    well i got an approach to test that... if you think dex is influencing evasion, dont wear light armor and dont use reflex(dont use any evasion booster skill/equip/ite.). if your char is evading more frequent along with higher dex, then we can conclude it is a legit finding^^.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  4. Saphos

    Saphos Old Sword Nerd Elite Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2015
    Messages:
    1,385
    Likes Received:
    1,245
    IGN:
    Saphoz and my son JoshuaBB
    That raised a question... You can evade wearing unmodified armor, right? It's been a long time since I had an unmodified ^^
     
  5. Saphos

    Saphos Old Sword Nerd Elite Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2015
    Messages:
    1,385
    Likes Received:
    1,245
    IGN:
    Saphoz and my son JoshuaBB
    Hehe, another way to test that would be use the same evade gear on a non DEX character to see if there is a difference in evasion rate...
     
  6. BlackRex

    BlackRex A Black Bunneh Elite Member

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2015
    Messages:
    1,855
    Likes Received:
    1,209
    IGN:
    BlackRex
    By equipping dagger. It will give you flat evasion regardless the armor.
    Its harder to test evasion rate. At least you need to have 30ish sample (minimum) to make it valid. Or if you can formulate its algorithm and use simple regresion assumption to generate results til 100 also good(now i sounds like mugamo.. lol) . But i hate math. Hehehe
     
    • Like Like x 1
  7. Blueys50

    Blueys50 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2015
    Messages:
    97
    Likes Received:
    34
    Maybe what you mean is mole eye and 1.5-3.5k for flast with lvl 15?
     
  8. BK

    BK The Best Elite Burger Known To Mankind Staff Member MODERATOR Elite Member Epic Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2015
    Messages:
    5,426
    Likes Received:
    2,933
    IGN:
    BK.
    I would say dex doesnt increase eva, but equipping a dagger may give eva+, plus ur equips etc do have a lot of eva% which helps alot, also flashblast on a non dw toon is pretty awesome right :p, i was thinking of making a eva sniper using revolver and have 1.7k+ atk, flashblast would be insane
     
  9. Saphos

    Saphos Old Sword Nerd Elite Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2015
    Messages:
    1,385
    Likes Received:
    1,245
    IGN:
    Saphoz and my son JoshuaBB
    So I did this:

    Same equipment:
    Player crafted sword
    Army knife
    By garb
    Mole eye
    DEX II

    For my lvl 95 full STR against Michelo, counting first 10 hits in battle, full STR evades average 2-3 times out of 3 tries (total 30 hits).
    My lvl 23 (115 DEX) against Michelo, counting first 10 hits in battle, I evaded average 4-5 times out of 3 tries.

    I don't know if it's just my luck or whether I'm still biased.

    I first tried this idea with full AGI brawler, he evaded about 20-30% of the time, but not against Mochelo though...

    My Sniper being full DEX used to evade a lot just from Reflex and BB Garb alone. No dagger / mole eye, so that's at least 20% difference without those gears.

    To be honest, I still don't believe myself. So I really hope someone can help test this out or provide some data to compare.
     
  10. Saphos

    Saphos Old Sword Nerd Elite Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2015
    Messages:
    1,385
    Likes Received:
    1,245
    IGN:
    Saphoz and my son JoshuaBB
    At lvl 23, I was doing 5k and 2.3k to Mochelo. It's worth including this skill in your combo as the counter attacks are awesome.

    Even if it turns out that DEX has nothing to do with Evade, I'll keep this build and restat to full STR. I love Flash blast.

    DEX is really working fine so far though...
     
  11. Saphos

    Saphos Old Sword Nerd Elite Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2015
    Messages:
    1,385
    Likes Received:
    1,245
    IGN:
    Saphoz and my son JoshuaBB
    For some reason, I cannot edit it. Guess you will have to live with these typos forever!
     
  12. firefox1981

    firefox1981 Elite Member Elite Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2015
    Messages:
    1,224
    Likes Received:
    728
    It works extreemly well on astute - flash - impact- t.kick builds to and acts as a great aggro skill too remade a sword fu build fox style and loving it
     
    • Like Like x 1
  13. Saphos

    Saphos Old Sword Nerd Elite Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2015
    Messages:
    1,385
    Likes Received:
    1,245
    IGN:
    Saphoz and my son JoshuaBB
    I thought of the same... If it isn't because I hate TK :(

    Guess it will be the same this time,
    My 2h build and 2h fu variation.
    Now 1h CA and 1h fu CA ^^
     
  14. BK

    BK The Best Elite Burger Known To Mankind Staff Member MODERATOR Elite Member Epic Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2015
    Messages:
    5,426
    Likes Received:
    2,933
    IGN:
    BK.
    I feel that 2h str evades more, tried 1h str, dex 2h dex 1h dex dw, it seems random so i dnt think dex or str increases eva, its just happens when it wants to
     
    • Like Like x 1
  15. Saphos

    Saphos Old Sword Nerd Elite Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2015
    Messages:
    1,385
    Likes Received:
    1,245
    IGN:
    Saphoz and my son JoshuaBB
    I hear ya. Your 2h evades a lot too ^^
     
  16. BK

    BK The Best Elite Burger Known To Mankind Staff Member MODERATOR Elite Member Epic Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2015
    Messages:
    5,426
    Likes Received:
    2,933
    IGN:
    BK.
    Mhm but glad we have a skill that gives a bonus to evading, a powerful skill too
     
  17. equites

    equites Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2015
    Messages:
    296
    Likes Received:
    212
    Erm, a question, if you want to use rage sword, why not go with sword-shield all the way? There is this shield with 10% eva and it will also boost your rage sword damage.

    In my opinion, damage from flash blast is not reliable since it rely on evasion proc. So if you are aiming for dps, it might be better to give more focus on spamable damage (combos) and think of flash blast's damage as bonus.

    Theoretically, flash blast damage will shine when you are facing more than 1 physical attack based enemies/bosses and/or the boss has a really high attack speed.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  18. Groot

    Groot ┐('~`;)┌ Elite Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2015
    Messages:
    1,189
    Likes Received:
    1,114
    add a knight talis+viola so u hog all the aggro.... and perhaps a rapier 1h drop/sofy craft if possible to save money :p
     
    • Like Like x 2
  19. Saphos

    Saphos Old Sword Nerd Elite Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2015
    Messages:
    1,385
    Likes Received:
    1,245
    IGN:
    Saphoz and my son JoshuaBB
    I agree. I have the Mirror shield too. Trying to feel the difference. With dagger, the evade animation is a backstep, which it doesn't seem to proc mid combo. So I might switch to shield. I also need to test whether flash blast scale with atk.

    There are lots of questions surrounding this build now. So it is by no means any kind of a guide yet.
     
  20. BK

    BK The Best Elite Burger Known To Mankind Staff Member MODERATOR Elite Member Epic Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2015
    Messages:
    5,426
    Likes Received:
    2,933
    IGN:
    BK.
    Yh it was abit of a downer because flash needs the actual eva animation and doesnt proc even when u evade mid combo but its still decent for when regaining mp and flash does scale with atk, my highest is 18k so far, the question is, is it fixed wind element or can it change
     
    • Like Like x 1

Share This Page