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Full 3 Lock Synthesis Alchemist Guide

Discussion in 'Production Class' started by Barzeft, Jan 23, 2017.

  1. Barzeft

    Barzeft It is better to be silent instead of hurtful Elite Member

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    yep and thanks for the pic for visual aid sometimes it's easier for others to understand Pink Lady :3
     
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    thanks for the info.
     
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    oops i hadn't notice that success rate. Thanks for the visual. Always very helpful.
     
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    sorry but what does it mean ^
    Hi there, I am bit new to the game was following Kariin's build everything fine but anythin I make with alchemist gives mes result x0 all to waste once I was able to get 15x revita. all skills at my lvl are maxed in boths alchemist/lvl 10 and blaclshmith/lvl 15 char lvl 40 DEX 57/Tec 50 I get only the prof xp no item craft, however BS can make weapons/ refine even at risk lvl 6 can succeed.
    Is the game system build to fail like this till you master it? what am I missing here, thnks in advance for any info.
     
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    what can of answer is this ^ read before i did? Simply making a simple potion low lvl like revita gives ZERO item is the game built this way? if yes at which lvl does it succeed. pls if the answer's somewhere link it in your answer. thnks
     
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    As stated in both my guide and pink lady's guide you need full 255 Tec to guarantee you will successfully craft items or synthesize equipment plus having 255 Tec highers success rate in refining and for Alchemy Proficiency leveling it is unwise to craft regular Revita because it doesn't recover much health and doesn't sell well. The reason why I suggest crafting Revita IV is so you can make Spina if you decide to sell and have the best craftable healing item in the game if you just plan to craft for yourself instead of sell. To directly answer your question yes the game is designed so that you will fail if you don't have proper stats for the task and if your proficiency is too low but I kindly ask that next time you read and follow the stats section of my guide, pink lady's guide, wyrix's guide for stating or any other game play guide that involves certain stat requirements which is usually provided in the first or second post of the guide ^.^
     
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    Thanks for your answer a bit clearer than the lazy one above, I appreciate you took the time, with that said what I understand here is in game Alchemist will making any potion/item 95% of the time based on my own experiment untill TEC is at 255 since I can make weapons even if it fails I get the ITEM not full stat for my lvl of BS/prof but still .It's a bit different for Alchemist as you mentioned. Actually i had the perception that only item customization with synthesis needed TEC@ 255 to secure 3locks for dyes and higher success rate. I totally get the ratio for xp/lvling prof method in your guide quite handy it was more about the result, thanks again
     
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    dow a simple "same as above Tec affect potions carfting too" vs "^" hope you'll get it, not just hunt around for my posts and disagree.
    put a link on your "^" "my own way" is a book no where to be found.
     
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    Sorry didn't want to mix things, can please kindly explain how are you able to craft Revita IV from the start lvl ZERO prof when it requires difficulty lvl 80 the game doesn't allow you to do so. thus you need to start somewhere at the beginning reason why there is even practice revita so you lvl prof till you get to the point that you can make high lvl items Revita is a lvl 75 potions. Then again enlighten me, since this game has no official wiki or the like in game to follow for the basics if it is possible to by pass the item difficulty lvl sure crafting hight item gives more xp points base rule for all crafting systems in most MMORPGs / RPGs.
     
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    u can't craft revs4 right from the start, you start with practice revs first then move your way up to increase your prof level.
     
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    I believe you can? To craft you need tech and can only get tech at level 40 so with stat points from that and the bonus points you should be able to craft rev4 from the start.
     
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    dont forget u need to meet the diff level too. and higher prof better success rate, so yea assuming u meet the diff, and u have like 0 prof, u'd be crafting a bunch of fails.
     
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    Also true xD but alchemy isn't like a bs so failing higher level items would give you like 2000% (guesstimate) for the max craft xD way easier to raise that way. But yeah probably wouldn't make any spina out of it for the 1st couple tries due to fails.
     
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    no it's not like bs. but do u really wana craft for 500 revs and only return with 10? i did a test prof for that one silly argument we were having in our guild chat to test ori crafts, i wasted 10 ori ores to craft 0 oris. i met the diff but did not have a high enough prof to craft success. and i remembered when i was on the journey to 3 lock, a lot of the hp miths i was crafting were fails. so if you really want to waste good mats on higher items without leveling prof first, sure, be my guest.
     
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    I crafted Rev IV from 0 to 86 pink lady after getting full Tec but as you said there will be failures however I was merely mentioning the quickest way to raise alchemy proficiency not the most effective way to get the desired item ^.^ from Alchemy prof level 0 to somewhere between 52 and 73 you'll have failures crafting Rev IV which is why I recommend crafting x99 at a time instead of crafting x1 at a time to begin with you'll get around 1-2.5 Rev IV stacks for it instead of the full 10 Rev IV stacks so about 10%-25% success rate but you also get 1300% alchemy proficiency the first time and crafting x99 six times will raise your Alchemy Proficiency from 0 to around 78 however you will only get 20-45 of the 60 Rev IV stacks you attempt to craft so your overall success rate is roughly 33%-75%, after your Alchemy Proficiency is level 78 every Rev IV you craft afterwards will have a 100% success rate since Rev IV's actual item level is 75 tho the item difficulty is 80. As for the item difficulty level question your item difficulty capability goes up by 1 for every 2 Tec points so at 160 Tec you'll have 80 item difficulty and be able to craft Rev IV but will have more failures than successes, hope this explanation helps pink lady and you understand what I meant in my guide more clearly Armkay :3
     
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    i started w/crafting prac revs but stopped cuz i felt like that was wasting mats since practice revs were useless to me, n at the time rev4 didnt quite exist yet, so i crafted a bunch of rev 2s and 3s. rev4 requires twice as much nectar as to craft rev3s. i'd start with rev3s first there are still a lot of ppl out there still using rev3s, u could prolly sell some n make some profit back to buy more stuff. but in the end it's whichever way u feel it's more efficient for u.
     
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    Rev IV would be quickest for just Prof leveling but Rev III is more effective for having personal healing items and earning spina to begin with so as you said it really depends on the other person's preference ^.^
     
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    Aya :confused: this game has a strange system dow lvl 5 potion I meet twice the diff lvl still fails 95% of the time my guess Ill try after to see is that lvls are layered to you have higher failure rate regdless of anything else like from 0 to 30 rate is 20% success 31 to 60 40...above 90 to 100 90% success just a guess I'll see how it goes as I lvl up :)
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    Now you talk dude, most people at start don't know how to start maybe if tweak a little the beginning of this guide you know the phase from 0 to 30 let's say a small notice about success rate to avoid player wasting resources. Toram is no different game seemingly it gives you a safe path: a craft/resources/item to lvl up char / job and make spina if you add this to your guide it'll be nailed up from a to Z.
     
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    U usually get 100% success when u can no longer gain prof % from it
     
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    Hmm Asobimo way to go, gonna be fun build his char let's see.
     

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