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Katana as sub weapon

Discussion in 'Toram Online Class Discussions' started by wonderer, Jun 14, 2018.

  1. wonderer

    wonderer Well-Known Member

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    I can yet take full advantage of two handed mononofu passive skill for its +50% damage increase along with other passives and buffs.
    Martial skill tree is the only skill tree other than mononofu skill tree that can fully utilize katana passives and buff skills, and no other skill tree.
    Magic skill tree is out of the question because katana is all about physical damage.
    Physical damage wise martial skill tree Main damage skills can be used with any weapon, just like magic skill tree, unlike all other skill tree.
     
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  2. Ru°

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    yes but without knuckel u cant produce high damage on martial skill
     
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    I could have just build a pure martial class using knuckle, but no it's so boring.
    Futana is fun.
    I was just doing tests with all NS equipments, No refine and so far I did like 227k+ damage with Chariot. Well that was fun.
    So I'm currently working on 2 slot equipments with all atk xtals.
    I wonder how high damage will be after I acquire all the equipments.
     
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    good luck then for your experiment
     
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    Ooh nice. Chariot without knucks only loses out on +250 skill constant (assuming you don't have agi stat) and adds 1s charge time. Using katana benefits from the two-handed 50% dmg bonus. Shame the reset period just ended...
     
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    need look it on action can someone post futan video here?
    nvm i will try the build
    [edit] not my style
     
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    May I ask how you play this class (in terms of other skills and aggro/mp management)?
     
  8. wonderer

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    Chariot as main atk skill.
    Mp management is easy with katana.
    To stay in range and prevent proration from getting ruined, I use 2 MP Combo.

    Reflex > Sneak attack(Save) > Kairiki Ranshin(Cons.) > War Cry(Cons.) > Meikyo Shisui(Cons.) > Chariot(Smite) > Ender Skill(Any Skill)

    Before activating combo I use Recovery skill to remove ignite from Kairiki Ranshin.:p
     
  9. Silver Sky Star

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    God I hope I can try that. Too bad skill resets are over and I don't have modestia
     
  10. Xiavu

    Xiavu Lurking Overlord of LOVE[L.O.L.] Elite Member Epic Member

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    One good thing about bow+katana is you can use one or the other or both. Only problem is the lack of skill points to reap all the good stuff of both worlds(and here i am about to chuck in some pet support skills to the mix! lol) of course it depends on your playstyle on which of the 2 good skill tree gets a trim for your needs. If you are a katana guy that uses bowtana to slow down the pace. Or a bow guy that uses katana skills for more flexibility and defence, it all depends on you. If you are a pet summoner like me that leans more to bow skills and got star gems to spare, bows chucks a lot of bonus for pet support.(like boost heals and half the cast time compared to staves) as i said before in a bow+katana tread like this "playing bowtana is like playing with a very customizable swiss army knife. It is a jack of all trade!" Just dont expect to master any of it tho.
     
  11. Rydalis Darx

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    Yup, this is accurate. You can go and take Kairiki and Decoy to break your AMPR, or go a step further and use Tenryu for its ASPD. You can take your bow and use it only for the long range skills so you dont have to use pulse all the time. Plus you get snipe instead of zentei for armour break for Garyou.
    The combo leaves a lot to be desired and can be fully fleshes out if we only got more skill points to get all the skills from bow and katana we want while also getting the passives and utility skills we get from the other skill trees we normally use. I use bowtana, I skipped out on Smoke Dust, Zentei, Arm Break, Sneak Attack just so I have enough for the Attack ups HP Boost MP Boost and most of the Katana and Bow passives I like.
     
  12. totat

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    actually if anything bow+ktn is more for using tenryu spam better since ur decoy will be ranged and you can prob regen 1 mana from decoy before casting ur next tenryu but it comes with the cost of your tenryu doing roughly only as much as half of less of what it would do if u use katana mainhand because of two handed passive on mainhand katana being quite overpowered
     
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    If you don't have Modestia that'd be fine i guess

    If you have Modestia might as well go for that for tenryuryuryuryuryuryuryyu
     
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    Hey @Komibii and @Rydalis Darx , was about to make a thread, then saw this one was similar enough to what I was gonna ask, and on the topic. I am using Bow +Katana currently, and I am debating swapping some xtals around. I am trying to decide between York and twilight Dragon. Which yields more damage, 4% atk or 4% damage, 8% on my katana skills. I have about 2.3k atk unbuffed for reference
     
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    I think York would be better if you primarily use snipe, but Twilight dragon might be better if you normally use your katana skills for damage.
     
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    Personally it depends on your play style, if you stay in the back and shoot things, I would say York. Though if you're more up close and personal then TD would work well. I will say that both are great options. If you can have both on that would be great since itll boost all of your damage a lot other than crossfire.
     
  17. Doormat

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    I have been mainly using my katana skills. I have swapped York out form twilight>baphomela.
    All of my xtals I am using are Gespent II, Baphomela, Guignol, Ornlarf, Ifrid, Bexiz (is there an enhancer for bexiz?), Grecia, and Tyrant Machina . Damage is pretty okay, but idk, i feel like I'm not doing it right, combo suggestions? T4 katana skills ofc
     
  18. Rydalis Darx

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    Theres no enhancer for Bexiz yet.
    While it isnt a giant deal, I'd use Proto Leon over Gespent II. The rest is fine. The main problem that struck out to me with bowkatana is the fact we wont get the stability bonus from arrows, meaning we will have to supplement it from things like Paralyze Shot. But you always focus more on Katana and have bow support it because of it's large amount of skills to help your attacks. You will have moeba for easy getaways, paralyze for stability, smoke dust for more hit rate and arm break for lethargy (even though I dont use it). And, your auto attacks will work from range meaning you can use decoy to act as an am battery. With everything here a katana leaning build is possible with Tenryu + Snipe + Garyou or Tenryu + Zentei + Garyou

    Pulse/MoebaTriple Thrust/Paralyze Shot (save) → Tenryu Rensei (Swift) [1mp set up for Magadachi/Zentei into Tenryu usage]

    Kairiki RenshinDecoy (save) → Meikyo/Anything 2mp (smite) [Set this up at range to act as an MP recovery option, the AMPR from this is extremely high]

    Pulse/MoebaZentei/Snipe (save) → Kairiki Renshin (cons) → Meikyo (cons) → Garyou Tensei (smite) → Decoy/Anything (cons) [Garyou Tensei for after you feel like you've been Tenryu-ing for too long]

    Moeba/PulseSmoke (save) → Meikyo (consec) → Zentei (smite) → Pulse/Moeba (Swift) [If you wish to use Zentei as DPS]

    Just remember you wont get any bonus for Two Handed. You can mix and match how you want, these are just comboes I've used and I've seen work well. Of course if anyone else has any comboes I'd love to see. Though everyone should know Bowkatana is basically a swiss army knife, it can do a lot of things, so you probably wont see iit doing as much damage as a finale mage, though it can definately do a lot more than a pure finale mage in terms of usages.
     
  19. Doormat

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    My current combos are
    Kairiki → Crossfire (save)→ Decoy (Consec), My buff combo

    Moeba → Triple Thrust (save) → Tenryu (Swift) For initiating tenryu spam

    Impact → Snipe (swift) → Crossfire (Smite) → Triple Thrust (consec) → Garyou (Smite) → Smash (consec) My main damage combo, uses a lot of mp, but my ampr and max mp are so ridiculously high I have never had a problem managing it. I have been able to hit 1.4 mil (is this low for a kyudo build?) on this combo before, but I am still farming CP and still have a few levels to go before I have enough SP for all the skills that I want.

    What do you think?
     
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    Nooo, don't use CF as a save tag. You lose a lot of damage that way.

    Buff: CF (Save) = 20%
    Attack: CF (Smite) = 150%
    Final multiplier = 20 + 150 - 100 = 70%

    If you used CF on its own when buffing:
    Buff: CF (no tag) = 100%
    Attack: CF (Smite) = 150%
    Final multiplier = 100 + 150 - 100 = 150%
     
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