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Discussion in 'Toram Online Class Discussions' started by LuCiFeR LxSn NinG, Mar 1, 2017.

  1. LuCiFeR LxSn NinG

    LuCiFeR LxSn NinG Member

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    I need some work on my dual wield would anyone guide me a nice dw build for which stat I should put some put full DEX sole do STR I'm confused so please suggest me a good one
    Thank you ;)
     
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    Dex if u want accuracy and dmg
    Str if u have some nice critical rate stat on either armor, weapon or other gear. (Str alone give crit dmg up)

    Overall, if u hav gear crit rate, str is dominant. Try see at youtube about dual 100% crit if u want str build. Good luck
     
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    For dual Dex stat

     
  5. LuCiFeR LxSn NinG

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    Both are sooo strong dam hard to choose
     
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    nay.. u can see diff. Str better with crit rate 100% . . go with crit rate style with str for more output power. goodluck decide this
     
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    Dex Str Crit or Dex Str Agi
    Full Str Crit only shows high damage now. You rely on cdmg stats after maxing str and get crit where you cna do 100% crits.
    Then only put dex every time cap increase.
    Dex Str is better because you have high atk with dex and high cdmg with str. Crit to make you crit more or put to agi for more damage. With c1212127 stats and astute, you'll crit most of the time anyway.
    And crit is temporary stat by the time we hit 150. C1515157 will be better than getting 70+crt stat. Youll just be forced to reset because you dont need points in crit anymore and just invest in either dex or agi either way.
     
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    So u mean put DEX:STR in the ratio 1:1? The second one hehe XD
     
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    Can u please explain what cyphery meant for putting my stat about the second one he mentioned should I go in a ratio 1:1 in STR and DEX
     
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    I have 40 Agi, 120 Dex, 120 str on my dual right now, it's a nice balance, each auto averages around 4k or more, Phantom slash hitting 5-7k per hit, spinning slash 6k, etc, it's pretty nice and I'm enjoying playing it
     
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    Cypherian Dual Doggo! Bork bork! Super Likable Elite Member

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    Full STR + Crt falls of HArd because:
    1. Every 10 Caps, we get 1% mor CR% and 1 more CR for stats. 3.5 Crt = 1 Crit rate. thats 75 stat points wasted because you'll be removing it after a few caps.
    2. you only a few more points to spare in dex or agi after putting in str and crit to optimal points. which means you have less more atk and possibly same average damage of a person with DEX STR.
    3. after a certain point in the game when you remove CRIT. you'll be putting it to DEX anyway. and Gothic Hat has 15 crit rate which is more than war helm, and spares you 20 points you'll put into crt
     
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    There are 4 general types of optimal and healthy DW stats allocation:

    DEX:AGI 1:1
    • DEX > AGI > STR
    • DEX > STR > AGI
    • DEX > AGI:STR 1:1


    Every stats has its own playstyle and gearset. However, im some cases (for example: me) I found my own personal success by calculating my own personal stats which is pretty risky but not that risky to the point where you'll be able to spend a lot of spina or buying orbs right away. I'm fully aware that this will happen and this is all planned even before the patch for cap 120 announced, I made this as soon as the cap 120 patch released because I wanna abuse the stats until cap 130 comes out, which will be a long wait from now. if cap 130 comes out, I have 2 options, either create another character or reset my stats which is both possible. so .. My current WIP build right now is:

    • DEX 182 > STR 105 > CRT 36
    (I might make it DEX 181 > STR 100 > CRT 42 but I'm not sure yet. If the game allows me to round off my calculations or found some strong proof about 3 CRT = 1 C.rate vs. 3.5 CRT = 1 C.rate, then that's the right time for me to decide what to choose.)

    My CRT stats here is very personal, This is not exactly 100% C.rate but can be considered as 100% if the game allows my C.rate to round off itself. I'm still observing, I can see 1 white damage out of .. I don't know, A thousand hits? Maybe? But I'm still assuming that the white damage can maybe because:

    • Astute has this very little window of boost in a decaying effect as it allows my Twin slash to crit 100% up until now. but it decays so fast, causing my trigger slash to deal occasional white damage output in a scale of 1/10000000000 LMAO, but still in a phase of observation.

    • The program did not allow my C.rate to round off itself

    • Astute's effect is bugged out in "Trigger slash"


    Because, every white damage is a trigger slash hit. All of my autos and skills under Astute's buff crits but I can still see occasional white damage specifically in trigger slash despite being under my Astute crit buff. I've been using my DW tester these past few days up until now. Today is my 4th day using my CRT 36 that used to be in CRT 35 and in that 3 days of testing, I saw 2 white damage, first is in my video while i'm in a party against BKoD. The second is while I'm testing again yesterday at Twilight Dragon. These assumption about Astute being bugged out in trigger slash may change upon several experience and calculations. I'm still observing.

    This is my calculations about my current C.ratio as of now: I may be wrong, correct me if I'm wrong:

    • Base DW C.rate: 23.5 (penalized)
    • Weapon's flat C.rate: 12
    • Armor's flat C.rate: 12
    • CRT conversion: 36 CRT > 12 C.rate

    • 23.5 + 12 + 12 + 12 = 59.5

    • Crit up from battle skill: 10%
    • 59.5 x 0.10 = 5.95

    • Weapon's % C.rate: 12%
    • 59.5 x 0.12 = 7.14

    • Armor's % C.rate: 12%
    • 59.5 x 0.12 = 7.14

    • 59.5 + 5.95 + 7.14 + 7.14 = 79.73

    • Temporary C.rate: Astute 25%

    • 79.73 x 0.25 = 19.9325

    • 79.73 + 19.9325 = 99.6625 (They can round this C.rate off upto 100%)


    Nonetheless, stat allocation will be based on your own preference at the end of the day.

    (A little reminder: Never try Full DEX/STR cause you're pulling down each other's beneficial boost by choosing to max either one of them. Put DEX until you're satisfied to your ATK, then boost it via STR or go for those healthy DW stat allocation that I listed above.)
     
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    I realized something, Since I often use Astute +25% C.rate > (Spinning slash Swift if soloing, Astute > Twin in parties) > Twin slash Smite > Shadowstep Save C.rate boost for .. > This Trigger slash Swift these past few days for tests, This alone convinced me that trigger slash's C.rate is currently broken ATM. It's either ignoring temporary C.rate boosts from skills such as Shadowstep and Astute (I think sonic blade is not included because the C.rate that the skill gives is not temporary, but is permanent.) Or .. flat out broken for some other reason. I dunno. Trigger slash should be the highest possible locked skill to crit in my setup because of the fact that the skill is under Astute and Shadowstep's C.rate buff.
     
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    why you guys put 180+ pts on DEX?? :D
     
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    ... erm.. coz hit rate and base dmg?
     
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    but why only 180+??
     
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    coz at that point, u can see your dmg is good enough. and now the time for making super saiyan char with str ... and boom.. op..
     
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    Lets be OP :D but how about pt situation?
     
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    pt with magic.. less prorate..
    pt with blade skill mmber, need more prorate.. otherwise ur dmg low..
    i hv a trick to get ur skill high dmg but can't confirm it yet, not pt with mny ppl yet. . x.x
    toram is soo "friendly"..
     

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