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Need help on Snipe + Storm build

Discussion in 'Hybrid' started by TokiXKiru, Jul 3, 2017.

  1. Djikstra

    Djikstra Well-Known Member

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    SirEgg cancerous breakfast Elite Member

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    Mind you that base on this thread , dex doesnt give matk for bg and bow
    Lets do a mathematical comparisson then.
    BG :
    255 Dex + 92 int = 1020 atk , 276 matk & 765 cspd
    Staff :
    175 str + 172 int = 697 attack , 863 matk & 35 cdmg.
    If yoy put it on theory staff only has 68.3% atk of what bg has but its matk is 312.6% bigger than bg's.
    You can already fix the cspd problem with the help of 1 choc ooze + starlight potion. + you got 35 raw cdmg.
    I think the winner is clear here.
     
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    SirEgg cancerous breakfast Elite Member

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  4. Djikstra

    Djikstra Well-Known Member

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    Why do u compare 255 stat and 92 INT with 175 STR and 172 INT???? 92 INT should have lower matk compared to 172 INT.
     
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  5. Djikstra

    Djikstra Well-Known Member

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    What u calculate wrong !!!!
    255 DEX is equal to 255 MAtk.
    92 INT gives 92 × 3 = 276 MAtk.
    total MAtk is 531
    and ur cspd is wrong. I have personally test it with 255 DEX. 900+ CSpd. Storm is nearly instant cast and u dont need to spend a lot of spina on xtal. Not all players are rich like u Egg.
    EDIT: STR FOR STAFF DOESNT INCREASE MATK SO 172 INT equals to 688 MATK ONLY
     
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    SirEgg cancerous breakfast Elite Member

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    Ok will recalculate it
    Lol it is for hybrid purposes like what these build seeks but we can compare them all if you want.
    255 dex/str & 92 int
    BG = 1020 attack , 276 matk , 765 cspd
    Staff = 857(-15.98%) attack , 368(+25%) matk , +51 cdmg
    175 dex / str & 172 int
    BG = 700 attack , 516 matk , 525 cspd
    Staff = 697(-0.42%) attack , 688(+25%) matk , +35 cdmg
    Future caps :
    255 str/dex & 255 int
    BG = 1020 , 765 matk , 765 cspd
    Staff = 1020 (0%) attack , 1020(+25%) matk , +51 cdmg

    Pretty much staff would give you 25% more matk.

    1 dex = 3 cspd
    255 * 3 = 765 cspd
    +100 base cspd = 865 cspd
    Cspd from dex stat on equipments not considered yet.

    Im just saying +51 cdmg is not that bad since you cant get +51 cdmg by just using 1 xtal slot and 1 potion , meanwhile you can get 1k cspd with 1 choc ooze and 1 starlight potion.
     
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  7. Djikstra

    Djikstra Well-Known Member

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    U forget that DEX increases 1 MATK For Bow or bowgun. Read my above reply too!
     
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    SirEgg cancerous breakfast Elite Member

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    It doesnt heres proof
    +67 dex
    Without bg :
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    With bg
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    It even got reduced by 1 matk lmao
     
  9. Djikstra

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    Bowgun]

    Raise DEX to increase physical attack power and accuracy rate. Arrows are less effective for bowguns than for bows. So, the stats don't change much even if you equip a shield or dagger.

    STR ► ATK+0
    INT ► MATK+3 *MDEF+1 **MP+1
    *The first 6 points of INT adds MDEF+1 then every 10 points add +1
    **The first 10 points of INT adds MP+101 then every 10 points add +1
    VIT ► ***DEF+1  ****HP+1
    ***The first 6 Points of VIT adds DEF+1 then every 10 points add +1
    ****The first 2 points of VIT adds HP+1 then every 3 points add +1
    AGI ► ASPD+2 (increases in order of 2,2,3,2,2,...) CSPD+1 FLEE+2
    DEX ► ATK+4 MATK+1 HIT+1 CSPD+3
    Read the fucking link I gives u above about stat distruibution @BK
     
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    SirEgg cancerous breakfast Elite Member

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    lmao we swearing now huh?
    But sir theres the proof in front of you.
    That just means the link you are reading is wrong , outdated , or it is currently bugged.
    Also one thing to consider : BG doesnt convert any of its weapon attack to matk , meaning even if you have @100 bg , it would give you 0 matk.
     
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    NAKED HAS THE SAME CALCULATION AS BOWGUN EXCEPT NAKED GET EXTRA 1 MATK!
     
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    NAKED HAS THE SAME CALCULATION AS BOWGUN EXCEPT NAKED GET 1 EXTRA MATK!
     
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    How about u read the f-in ss or try it yourself in game, dex not adding matk was proved for you which means any outdated link is pointless. Not everything you read online is true for an mmo like toram.

    It seems it was all due to bare hand giving 1matk per dex too but that doesnt change the fact that you are swearing because egg disagreed with your build idea.
     
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    Lucidity
    especially in a game that possibly copy-pasted storm's proration to tempest. =P
     
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    I am sorry since he really piss me off with keeep posting unreliable info
     
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    Ok alright lets just settle this lmao without considering the stats,
    staff + arrow +51 cdmg vs 765 cspd of bg/bow
    Question ? Can you get +51 raw cdmg easily? No right? But can you get 1k cspd easily? Yes through 1 choco ooze and 1 starlight potion.
    Skills :
    Staff makes storm stronger by 33% , BG makes snipe stronger by 27% , bow makes snipe stronger by 20%
    Staff has faster mp charge
    Staff has a higher chance to tumble opponents (impact).
    Bg has stronger shot skills
    Bow has a higher chance to proc ailment status coming from shot skills , arrow comes next , bg is last.
    Bg's off hand wep is not hindered like staff + arrow to use shot skills , and it can equip knux shield dagger arrow md
    Bow would have higher stability.
    Bow has higher crate when it comes to sniping
    Weapon itself
    But the ultimate selling point is that BG/bow doesnt convert its weapon attack to matk , meaning no matter how strong your BG is , it is useless as you will get no matk from it. Meaning you can only get your matk from stats when using bow or bg.
     
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  17. Djikstra

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    What so great about crit damage if u can't crit? Storm can't get crit lol. Storm can miss boss easily too if they move out haha. No one makes 7% INT 7% MATK 12 CR at market lmao. No one makes 7% MATK 7% INT CR 12 at market. U cant use warmonger xtal if u use ooze xtal. Crit damage for snipe? I guess it won't deal any significant damage even if it crits with its low atk, same with bowgun's storm, the damage will be low too, and we still need to count if we r gonna to use smite on both storm and snipe, and if we can prorate both of them. U can equip knuck if u want tumble using bowgun lol. The weapon atk doesnt make much change on damage. Bowgun atk get converted to Atk so more damage for snipe
     
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    It all goes back to what i said earlier why this build has many demerits over it's merits. That is why i didnt even pursue building this build anymore.
    Like what you said is that this build is probably the most expensive as all of its stats needed on its arm and wep are custom made , not the ones you see on market, and this build requires 2slot equips more than any other class as it requires to balance the scales within all different stats , imagine if you have a 2s gothic then that would already give you wm/choc ooze.
    Even if you're using bow , storm would be really unfathomably weak , considering even if you consider it having 0.37 casting time , that still takes 2s to finish animation considering storm has a very slow animation, do you think 2s is worth it for a single proration?
    Another problem are how devs designed weapons to not convert its 100% of its wep atk to matk 2h,1h, bow & bg(0%) & knux(50%).
    Explains why 50% physical 50% magical hybrid would never work in the first place maybe except for some few dedicated builds like staff and arrow.
     
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    I guess we should just stop this mess. The cspd for storm is 0.16 secs btw with 255 DEX and 7% DEX weapon. I dont have 7% DEX armor sadly. At least, it doesnt hard to get 7% DEX, 7% Atk, CR 12 equips at market. The weapon atk or matk is just too small imo to make any difference. The highest one is around 100 for staff. Maybe we can try using swift or potion for increasing motion speed on storm, but well, this build doesnt worth the effort. Arrow mage can be good bcs of the fast motion speed of physical skills and can prorate storm effectively. I hope the OP can learn something.
     
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    Bowgun + Arrow. Just to satisfy the storm condition and use it to prorate, but not letting snipe suffer, and to avoid penalties early on.

    Until such time we are able to max 2 stats, this build can use staff + arrow alternatively, rearranging combo as well to give favor to storm while doing physical proration. A flexible build.

    ^_^
     

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