open forum for Magic Swordsman's healthy progress :P

yes, i copied this thread: http://toramonline.com/index.php?th...lets-brainstorm-and-share-our-thoughts.18920/
i want to have the same discussion about Magic Swordsman =(^.^)=

there are more physical than magical skills in toram, so magical hybrid classes existed ever since Magic Devices were created.
Knuckles and Bowguns have it much easier when learning magic, since their stats are more focused.
as compensation, 1h swords get extra support for magic in form of magic swords, with stats that no player smith can reproduce.
and equipment that is specifically made for STR-INT builds.

the first magic swordsmen lived and died with the Brutal Dragon Sword, but were never really used after that.
now they just got revived with the Magic Swordsman Garb/Cape =(^.^)=

now, here are the questions for you:

1. which stat allocation of STR, INT, DEX would you use to make a Magic Swordsman?
would you choose 2:2:1 for the Magic Swordsman Garb/Cape or would you rather go for 1:1:2 with DEX based gear or something completely different?

2. if a new secondary skill tree with magic skills for swords would be added, what skills would you like to see?
(in addition to blade and magic skills of course, it's just a secondary tree)

3. if you build a Magic Swordsman, what makes you decide to do it?

4. what is are your favourite Blade/Magic skills to use with a Magic Swordsman?

 

i use the 2:2:1 STR-INT-DEX ratio so that i can gain the most benefit from the Magic Swordsman Garb/Cape.
my theory is that i have a STR-DEX swordsman and a INT-DEX magician and slap them together

- a passive skill that increases magic power based on STR
- a buff that converts magic attack to physical attack
- a skill that enhances elemental damage
- a barrier skill that halves damage taken of the same element as your sword

all my characters are magicians of different types, and Magic Swordsman are really cool in other games.

Impact of course it's my strongest and most useful skill.
then i like to use Sonic Blade to make sure that Impact hits the target
Power Wave is also very important to me.

 

is this build for dps purpose or just want to be unique/different from other build?

 

it is supposed to be an attacker type, but right now it's more breaker-ish...

 

I have a Magic Swordsman Build in progress. I'll try share as much as possible

 

i c. i want to see its potential dps tho.
but imo the only physical n magical combination skills that works are through staff fu build which is a str/int based. or a knuckle int based which are rare in toram.
but the name magic swordsman makes ppl interesting. ^^

 

O-O/ I have Int>Dex Sword Mage. (They count right? XD) It is on my 2nd acct, and it jas 180 Int 35dex atm.

My approach was MD wielding mage farmer 1st, then add swords skill later so i could build CP while farming nisel woods and bnuts earlier on.^^

My favorite move of all the skills in my Sword Mage is NOT Magic Storm; it is surprisingly Spiral Air. XD Spiral Air is the single most pivotal move on my combos for my sword mage. It is what I use to make sure Magic Wall into Magic Storm goes off; and stacking these DoT Magic Skills is very important to my build since the build is suffering from less than optimal atk and matk.

 

well... first things first, i would choose 2h weap rather than 1h for a magi-swordie build
if ur taking 1h... you most likely need to go str - int to maximize damage
and maybe you're thinking going for MD subs.....which will be an extremely bad choice since if you are going
str-int 1h and md subs... you will have low attack since half of 1h attack comes from dex and even lower atk from MD (-15%atk)
you will also lack matk since sword weapons dont contribute to matk no matter how much you refine it... you'll have a pretty high impact damage but it falls short too much from other chars....

so i think the best choice so far is capitalize on 2h STR atk returns (3 atk / str) ... with high enough ATK stat from weapon and STR stat
you can choose to scrap dex and move on to INT instead.... a bit lower magic damage ofcourse, but it has far higher DPS due to
switching proration on your combos (physical-magic-physical etc combos) compared to a 1h magicswordie

1.) STR INT on 2h
2.) hopefully a magic damage skill that it scaled from atk
3.) well.... all weird builds are fun
4.) astute, impact, trigger slash, magic: storm and sword tempest are legit by far

 

but the MD bonus on magic skills is greater than 15%
arrows: 2 more hits = +33%
javelin: +25% status ailment
lances: 1 more hit = +33%
impact: +250% damage, +2m range
mp charge: -1s charge time = +20%
power wave: +70% damage

 

Yea after trying a lot of variations, it's true the dps attained from 2h incomparison to 1h/md is higher. But 2h Magic swordsman felt really awkward for me it didn't really have the animations of skill casting that md has. Right now I'm trialling a more hp/tank magic swordsman with rampage and rage sword for aggro tanking, it's looking good so far but im still looking for the right passive skills to go along with the whole survival/tank/magic theme.

 

arrow takes too long and it only effective if ur usingn storm+wall with it and storm and wall on magdev is just a large area but not very strong
javelin for status ailment... eh ud have a lot of interrupts on sword tree
lances.. same reason as arrow actually
impact is decent... but i tried impact main on 1h-magdev and u reach 20-30k on impact smited but its just bad when ur with pt mates.... usually 10-15k on boss runs and thats just a regular astute damage imo
powerwave... you wont effectively use it on a 1h-magdev since -atk% on magdev subs... it just flashy effects for nothing but bad damage and maybe slight proration

maybe if there's a skill in the future for magdev besides impact that deals good damage or maybe on priest tree.... 1h dev might work

 

*cough* we really need sword n staff skill tree *cough*
*cough* both 1HSword & Staff scale atk w/ Str as well *cough*

 

1: I use 1:1:2 since dex helps with accuracy and 3 points attack when using ohs and the cast time
2: maybe spear skills if we got lucky with the compatibilty
3.im trying to imitate ronan from grandchase either aegis knight job or the abyss knight and also spell knight job xD
4. Astute and Impact

 

Probably gonna be off topic, but ill just chip in since i'm planning for a magic / physical hybrid as well.
But i'm going with Staff / Knuckle (spellfist)
1. 2:2:0 such builds need fast cast magic or other ways to improve CSPD rather than dex. investment is too high with low returns
2. This one is interesting
- skill to convert matk into atk (like spellfist in ragnarok online)
- able to gain attibutes according to element used (something like this)
- Shadow Armour / puppet (something like this) this one might be possible in toram in a way, the science faction people are able to summon constructs to do their bidding (seen in MQ at lost town)
3. I typically play non-mainstream chars in games, like i had an autocast / spellfist sorcerer in Ragnarok Online
4. Current still focused on int hence storm, when we have 400 stat points, i'll restat into 200 str, 200 int, using SB, HS and Storm as DPS in 1 combo. (this build will likely result in higher DPS than staff fu)

 

Heynew weapons for spell knight and magic swordsman XD will you make another one????

 

Since a new weap has been release i wanna try a magic knight with storm and tempest as dmging skils seeing 2 tornado in ur enemy seems awesome xD

 

Ive tried that ^^ ill send you a link on what I did

 

imma do 1:1 in dex since they both give atk on ohs(magic) thwn have fun doing dmg on both storm and tempest is nice

 

my newest guide is about weapons and classes.
once i'm done with all the class descriptions, i will update the Magic Swordsman Guide again =(^.^)=

finally this is the proof that every weapon can use magic somehow

 

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