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Question about dagger

Discussion in 'Secondary Trees' started by Xian, Jul 6, 2016.

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  1. Xian

    Xian Well-Known Member

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    Soo....
    I've been using dagger lately and I just realized that attk on dagger doesn't affect matk n atk

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    Alycia What did I miss? Elite Member

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    Daggers are only there for more damage over time. One of the skills in dagger skill tree is a counter which hits your opponent every time you evade.
     
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    Xian Well-Known Member

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    Seems like it suitable with knuckle :D
     
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    It's a fairly good subweapon for most class. ^_^
     
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    dagger's ATK stat is only used for dagger skills (this includes the special evasion attack)

    daggers are good for almost everything and there are 2 types of daggers, for the attackers and for the stat users:

    daggers with high ATK usually have damage boosting stats, like defense pierce or increased weapon atk. those are best for the ones that use dagger skills to attack.

    daggers with low ATK usually have useful defense and/or support stats like Evasion or MP. those are best for the ones that use daggers for their stats.
    using dagger skills is also good with this one, but only for the status effects.
     
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    Hi, pardon me for reviving this thread. I created a brawler and currently at lvl 63. I have dagger skill tree but haven't put any points on it yet.Here are some of my questions:
    *Will the damage dealt by the double comes from the overall attack or just from the dagger attack only?
    *If the double throw triggers, will it have AMPR also?
    *What is the average damage of spike dart and gatling knife? (when crit and with knux as main)
    *What is the average damage of Hidden Arm with Intense knife? (all lvl10)

    I am looking forward on the next tier of the Dagger skill tree. Thank you :)
     
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    1) the evasion atk from daggers can be increased with unsheathe atk gears(the double stab DMG will reflect the DMG of the original dagger)
    2) no evasion atk with daggers count as physical atks
    3) there are too many factor to consider def, stability, pierce, atk power, gears, etc. Though generally the DMG is very low
    4) it is the damage of the dagger plus 1 for each lvl of intensive knife
     
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    Thank you for the reply. So it means that dagger's autoattack damages are low as it only reflects dagger's damage.
    If I use the dagger with 100atk, the double stab's damage will be 100atk+unsheath atk. And I guess intensive knife and hidden arm isn't worth the SP.

    I believe I saw a thread with staff+dagger and he solo Forestia ulti. But I forgot where I saw it. :oops:
     
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    I personally don't like hidden arm and intensive knife but some brawlers use it. It might become more useful when dagger t4 is unlocked
     
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    I might leave my unused SP for now and wait for lvl 110 skills. Do damage from hidden arm and double stab helps in prorating damage? I mean normal damage, double stab damage and hidden arm damage are shown separately. So I'm wondering if you attack a monster and it shows all three damages, does it equal to attacking the monster 3x?
     
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    the daggers unsheathe attack is a physical skill, double stab does 2 unsheathe attacks instead of 1.
    hidden arm is special and has no effect on poration. it scales with your atk, but at the same time has a set damage minimum equal to the dagger atk, so it's similar to defense pierce effects.
    it is!
    the dagger's atk is the minimum damage, higher atk adds extra damage (if its higher than the monsters def). it cannot be guarded and even if other attacks do only 1 damage, it will hit as usual.
    with high attack speed the damage will add up quickly ;)
     
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    I see. So having an antique knife and goovua xtal on special gear will have a minimum 200 dmg (100 from knife and 100 unsheath atk from xtal) plus additional extra dmg if it has higher atk?
    Also, double stab dmg is higher than hidden arm dmg?
    Will double stab affect damage proration? or both hidden arm and double stab don't?

    I'm thinking that if I get the hidden arm, intense knife and double stab, I won't get the gatling knife skill. If I get the gatling knife, I won't get the passives. xD

    So many question. xD I don't want to create a new char again because it's so troublesome to level CP. :oops:
     
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    I don't know the direct correlation between DMG and unsheathe atk so it could be higher than that. double stab DMG is higher than hidden and intensive knife. Okay let me explain daggers "special" evasion attack. Most chars Eva attack is the first auto animation when they first start a fight(1h spinning Slash, dw x Slash) dagger don't have this because daggers evasion animation sends them straight back and out of auto atk range. As compensation when ur char jumps back he also throws an invisible dagger(doesn't look like anything is thrown but u can see the dmg on the pull up window) this dagger throw is counted as physical hit. Double stab will make it so you throw two invisible daggers instead of one. The second dagger will match the dmg of the original. Hidden arm and intensive act differently they act like auto atk modifiers but have 0 affect on poration and don't gain ampr. If you are planning to get double stab u should know that evasion proc lower with agi brawlers because bosses always miss us lowering opportunities to evade.
     
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    Now that you mention it, boss often miss and evasion triggers only once or twice when fighting the boss. So yeah, Double stab might not be that useful when fighting a boss unless it's a long fight. Thanks for the information. I'll save the SP atm. The next skill of intense knife imght be awesome.
     
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    If you have invested on aggravate and strong chase for the guard break chance of auto attacks, hidden arm and intense knife, boosts it and process it more often. ^_^
     
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    Yes, I already leveled the aggravate and strong chase to lvl10.
     
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    If you don't have a spare 20 skill points, then don't get hidden arm and intense knife, because it is not worth it to invest few points on them. ^_^
     
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    Oh! I see. Once I capped, I'll have 51 SP remaining. I might use the 27SP for lvl7 impact, So I have 24 SP remaining. aside from martial skill, I already spent 15 SP to have lvl5 Sober. and that's all. I don't know if I use the 24 for battle skills to have crit up.
     
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    If you already made your way to Sober, better have it at 10 than 5. And my recommendation for the remaining SP is to reserve it until we know what're the skills unlockable at Lv110.
     
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    I see. With the Sober up to lvl 10, i will have 19 remaining SP :) Thanks.
     
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