Rant: Recent Bad Experience I had /w a Stat Order via Forum

The following is a bad experience that I just had the other day, and I need to vent it out:

I had been needing a Stat order for some knucks I had.

2 slots, Plus A, 152 Base dmg, with 66 pot. I was going for ATK 7%, CD 3%, CD 16, CR 16. Wasn't the first time I'd done this stat and I had created a formula for it that was 100% success. Feeling confident and also impatient, I sought out a service through the forums, because forums are supposed to be reliable right?

Now I'm not going to name the person that I had stat my stuff. Because I truly believe he didn't mean to mess up. I will, however, outline the ordeal here because I need to vent.

We met in Horo, I gave him the order and he told me the stat was impossible to be 100% via another statting simulation. I told him I had a formula that I created and have used in the past with 100% success. And he said okay. I mailed him the formula and told him to test it. Apparently he didn't, and said he misunderstood what I meant when i said 'Sent. Test it out' after the fact.

***Thinking back, There were a few red flags that should've alerted me to not have this person stat my item

1. He didn't know that knucks could reach 66 pot, he had no experience with this kind of statting.
2. He kept referring to another statting calc saying my formula was wrong and his formula gave a 97% success rate.
3. He didn't bother to practice a custom stat that he's never done before on a simulator.




Few minutes go by, i'm happily waiting for my knucks to come back when he says in chat: 'Just as I thought, the formula doesn't work. It's not 100% success rate.'

I asked him over and over if there was any steps he messed up on: Adding crit all at once or one at a time, Adding negas all at once or one at a time., Putting things in the wrong order... He said no, and that he followed my formula exactly. Futhermore, he insulted my intelligence saying I didn't know how to make the formula and I was wrong.

Now I'm not buying it. And I still don't. After going back and forth for a few minutes arguing heatedly, I took my knucks back.
I EVEN PAID HIM for his mana costs and a service fee, even though he messed up. The only way he could've followed my formula and had it mess up is if Toram itself didn't know how to do math calculations

I got online and checked my formula again. Yup still works. He goes online and checks my formula on Coryn. It's 100%. He proceeds to tell me that at a certain step, he only received 130 potential instead of 139 potential. I laid out a few scenarios in which he could've messed up.

-Putting CD first instead of CD%
-Putting Nega 7% HP and Nega 7mp in separate steps instead of 1 big step
-Putting all CD at once?

He denies to any of that and says he followed my formula. I truly cannot believe it. I am 100% confident in my abilities with my statting formulas.


The following day, I grabbed another knuck with 66 pot from the CB. I had a friend (I should've went to him first but I was impatient) redo my formula on another set of knucks and screen shot everything so I can prove to the other guy that my formula works. Lo and behold, everything is exactly as I thought. My formula is perfect, and therefore something must've happened on the other guys end to mess up.

Now, I'm just waiting for Person A to take responsibility. Realistically speaking, it's probably in vain. Even after I showed him the first screen shots, he gave me a snarky reply saying he was 'sorry for following directions.'
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That being said: I now have this eyesore of a knuck for sale

Messed up Knuck ( I salvaged it by statting it to 6% instead of 7% because I didn't want to gamble):
152 Plus A, 2 Slots -> PG and Imitator
6% ATK 3% CD 16 CD 16 CR

I lose about 12 ATK from that 1% ATK as a 165 Full Agi knuck

MSG me if interested.


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OH, and here's the formula for A7 CD%3 CD 16 CR 16 if anyones interested

Need 66 Pot:
Step 1: 3% CD (36 pot remaining)
Step 2: Add Flat CD +1 (11 times) (3 pot remaining)
Step 3: Add Flat CR +1 (2 times) (1 pot remaining)
Step 4: Nega 7% HP Regen, Nega 7 MP Regen (139 Pot remaining)
Step 5: Add Flat CR +1 (14 times to make 16) (125 Pot remaining)
Step 6: Add 7% Atk, and Max out to 16 CD (100% Success Rate)

 

Do people really use knuckles as main first time seeing one ( Oh well joke aside) Formula works.

 

ok u didn't state who did the stat

 

I am curious too..

 

try to see @ugliest posting in his profile and you will know who is it (just a guess though)

 

Yeah for custom stats like that, you want to make sure you order from somebody who's a little more known and has a lot of proof of quality work. A lot of "statters" don't know how the formulas actually work, they just follow the stat formula threads like a sheep, even though there are better ones. Person A should take responsibility for this complete failure.

 

Haha with new Tonfa + MD, Knucks are able to DPS pretty damn well now. Lenwok is probably the best knuck i know

Yeah I'm not one to put a target on someone's head. I just needed to vent.

:X

It's probably a correct guess.

Yeah, I asked him if he was comfortable following the formula. He said he wasn't a noob statter and He's pretty active on the forums (maybe not anymore after this debacle) so I trusted him. It's not like he tried to scam my item by any means.

 

he says that he followed my formula exactly. i know that he made a mistake somewhere. he didnt even offer to reimburse my item, nor has he apologized for his mistake.

i get it. to replace the item wouldve cost nearly 10m. its expensive. in fact its almost irreplaceable because knucks arent very popular items so they are hard to find.

 

also want to give a shout out to @Lenwok for being a reliable statter (and friend)

i dont know if he actually stats for spina, but he helped me with the proof knuck.


he is probably also the strongest knucker i know now. so pro!

 

Welp, Wish I went with you XD

 

Sorry to hear that. My sword and MD custom stat was did by aysays. He is legit and stating for a long time i think.
Speaking of stat, wonder how much is str%cd%cd16c16. is that even possible on adventure garb? If yes what pot is advisable and the success rate and cost?

 

Not supjer high CD and STr is possible. The best I could do when I made a formula was 4% STr, 3% CD, 16 16 with 40 pot garb starting point for 100% success.

 

On a separate note, I actually just follow instructions myself, as I never really understood why the incremental stepping (+1, +1, +1, +1... etc) makes such a big difference. Would any kind soul care to share a laymen's term explanation of why this is necesssary? Why not just jump straight from 1->16 in one go?

 

It saves a lot of potential

 

The short explanation as stated above. It saves potential.

Long Explanation: Lets say CR counts as 1 potential normally.

However, when you stat things from the same category, their potential value increases. So lets say you had CD already on the item, and you added CR.

CD normally is worth 3 potential per increment, and CR is normally 1 potential. However with both stats on the item, CD is now 3.5 per increment, and CR is now 1.3 per increment (I'm just giving arbitrary numbers as the exact number isn't on the top of my head)

Each point of CR is now worth about 1.3 pot. However, potential usage is rounded down so incrementally, it would be 1. If you did 4 in one go, though, you would use 5 potential. Now if you did 1 to 16 in one go you would be using 20 pot.

4 pot differential from increments vs all at once.

 

Ahh, each step has a 'rounding down' benefit. That's very clear, thanks!

 

Thanks for the reply. Is it possible to get 50% success rate on a possible max stat of that on adv garb?