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[Ranting] can I get whatever Dev smoking when they balancing toram ?

Discussion in 'Katana' started by Bismarck, Jun 9, 2018.

  1. Naim

    Naim Well-Known Member

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    .....u shudn hate maximizer..., before u start hate a skills , think about a class that can profit with it. Staff fu , magic swordman, magic gunner there so many other non mainstream builds can used it

    The negative part all that class have before can be fix with it

    Now everyone lLets StaRt Experimenting AgAin,L
     
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  2. Isra

    Isra Cock and Ball Torture Elite Member

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    [insert post saying the skills are balanced]

    And no I'm not memeing.
    I believe a rebalance for Crossfire is in order for how it applies to each weapon however. Speed of charge for lesser damage on bows, vice versa on Bowgun. Another is Garyou. Less skills for maximum damage as you level it up. -1 ever 2 levels, maximum 5. And Chronos. Make the damage go up for idk, Agi and Dex over 2 stats literally no one would use on a Halberd.

    Otherwise every skill (even Finale) is pretty good if you know how to use it. Maybe Dragon Tooth can be considered broken because of I-Frames, long range and 100% Phys Peirce but that last one is super dependant on the enemy and the skill can still be beat by Strike Stab. Meteor, Buster, Chariot and Rush are all literally perfect. Every other skill is fine. What they need to do if you really want something balanced is raise strength of buff and support skills. No one uses any of them in battle. Know why? Because they suck. They're weak filler skills. So balance those over the stuff other people want fixed
     
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  3. Oh so Intricate

    Oh so Intricate Well-Known Member

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    That's the thing, what's the point of having mp system at all if you can just replenish it in just few seconds
     
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    Isra Cock and Ball Torture Elite Member

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    For a move that cost the entirety of it. It's not like everyone gets that single button whoosh I got MP. It has a cast time and has a lower amount for non-staff non-MD weapons. And I dunno about you but even though Finale can do over 500k damage when you only have 500matk, but I don't see too many people using it. I think Maximizer is fine, especially since if you're gonna argue that mages get the only benefits because everyone can get the benefits of hella mp in one go. With some drawbacks
     
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    Tbh between 2 skills maximizer gave staff/MD users more justice. It requires mpcharge lvl10 to become usable and mpcharge on staff/MD is 4secs, 6secs for other weapon. If you are a meelee class (Fu), the castime might hurt the build coz fu's do dmg by quantity and you might get interupted most of the time so in my opinion it'll be hard to make it work on other weapons. And survivability might be compromised coz more than anything ur build is focused on dps survive ability might be secondary 6 8secs to mp charge is long and risky if you're a meelee dps.
    Shukucki+AMPR is way better mp management for meelee
    And you have decoy for bows. Maximizer is a mage thing they really need and no need to be salty bout it.
     
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  6. MAER

    MAER Well-Known Member

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    I like how till 3rd page no one bother to reminds the OP about the actual reason why he could never beat Mage despite being able to beat Archer.
    Simply by being the one and only class to deals magic damage, Mages are royalty of Toram now. Every other class are their proration slaves: the more you deal damage, the more they deal damage. I commend him for trying to beat someone that he helped in prorating to deal damage. owo)b

    This is especially true if you're using Katana, cause you're Mages's second best prorate slave... first rank being the Martial Artist. owo
     
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  7. screamingfox

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    Don't forget that most finale mages don't prorate for magic at all anymore and mostly prorate for physical or nothing at all outside of Finale. ;D.

    Kind of miss when Brawlers and Mages had this symbiotic relationship where we'd prorate for each other. Between the arrow-finale mages and finale only casters the magic proration just doesn't feel like it's there anymore. but maybe it's just me and the bad parties i've been in the last month or so. .-.

    Buff Magic: Burst so I get magic spammers occasionally again. @_@.
     
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  8. Oh so Intricate

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    These days you could get kicked from party just to fill a spot for finale user, it's all the fast runners is crazy about. But I don't have anything against finale itself.

    some drawbacks for maximizer? You're downplaying it.
    If other class wants to use it they need to consider this:
    The skill points required. Mages naturally put sp on it as it is on its tree, but other class had to sacrifice a good deal of sp that's better off somewhere.
    Not to mention the cast time and amount of mp they actually get. Mages get bonus mp and cast time reduce while other class get laughable amount for longer cast time. Other class just can't use it like mages can.
     
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    Thats why I call them Toram Noble. owo

    Doing magic proration isn't their job... as physical you prorate yourself with auto attacks, while the Nobles benefit from both your autos and your skills.
    We work for them for nothing in return. XD
     
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    Did u see some boss when used normal atack(example zahhak) they atack will be low .probably in new update there will be boss immune to magic......
    We naver knew
     
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    Nah... what we need are a 2nd or 3rd magic damage class to balance prorating out. owo)b
     
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    Agreed
    Make something like a shapeshifter or melee mage (close ranged magic attacks)
    MD is already kind of a shapeshifter class but not its own class with skills
     
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  13. J.D.X.

    J.D.X. The King of Flies on His Throne of Lies Elite Member

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    I tried it...I would consider Garyou the worst of the tier 4 damage skills.
    The higher conditioning decreases it's practicality.
    10 skills = spam and you'll get kicked and without kairiki the skill wont even crit.
     
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    At least aso doesn't give the best version of every skill to ur counterpart weapon like with mages and swordies
    :(:(:(
     
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    Lol make holy fist magic porate and make punish Ray insta cast. Mages will hate it
    ;):D;):D;)
     
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    i used to spam spinning slash tempest combos on a dw before. all mages hate me.
     
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    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    Hold my beer.
    *Adds lvl10 throwing knife star gem*
    Lets do it.
     
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    but sad is you just complaining about cant be number 1 dps on pt right.
    you word look so humble but still big egois side.
    no matter what u do. you still not know meaning on pt work.
    every job have weaknesses.
    even mage do ton damage use finale. they cant do that if no one hold the bos on the place. same to archer CF how just hit straight line. that mean all the job go for the front line. katana skill fast and have big agro to hold bos. but if there no tank and u still lost the agro that mean the wrong on your game play.
    on pt not only attack rank. i still get braker rank if im lost on tank and attack rank
    if u aim just for emblem ( skill point for that) why not just go on low and help newbie fight bos yea u will get attack rank .

    all what i see from your replay. u just lost your pride be katana user. and the answer just why u not play another job if on your mind katana are weak?
    dps now go to mage finale. remember this all job have role. if u want get rank attack just use mage or dont pt with mage.

    the last i play with 3 mage finale. on gem run srd tyrant nightmare. i m the only one katana user. all say thanks to me. even i m not get the attack rank all 3 rank i got it. that the pride. mage without mele user will have hard time . cuz i know what my role

    i hope @Glen can answer this
     
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  19. Asatu

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    Damn, that would be unlimited stab works!
    F**k combo!
    Pray - sstab - pray - sstab x15
    Quick aurax5 - war cry struggle
    Repeat until maintenance
     
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    Onii-chan u missed the status ailment uwu. It will increase dmg
     

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