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Road to main support.

Discussion in 'Toram Online Class Discussions' started by 赤い葉, Sep 6, 2017.

  1. 赤い葉

    赤い葉 Member

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    It is decided! Dodge FS it is c: now someone teach me please :3
     
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    mamattew 桃井 日奈 Elite Member

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    http://toramonline.com/index.php?threads/full-support-mage-lvl-130-cap.16560/
    like above the thread said
    Debuffs

    Life Recovery: Defence
    Mana Recharge: Attack
    Brave Aura: Accuracy
    Magic Barrier: Dodge Rate
    High Cycle: MP Restoration
    Immunity: Attack Speed

    you can use magic barrier to increase dodge rate :oops:
     
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    I thought they means i will lose dodge rate if I use barrier o.o
     
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    mamattew 桃井 日奈 Elite Member

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    you can recover by use other eq to increase dodge rate, maybe other ppl will answer your question :oops:
     
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    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    Why are you replying if you dont know .-.
    Magic barrier reduces dodge.

    Dont take high dodge rate it is no good......
    By dodging I mean manually avoiding aoes.
     
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    mamattew 桃井 日奈 Elite Member

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    im just miss understanding about dats, dats why i need your correction too :oops:
     
  7. 赤い葉

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    I am in game now and I am level 15, anyone want to help me? :3 I started as staff class and took support skill, I am broke T-T
     
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    if you learn the aura skills (the ones that end when you take damage) you should look for equipment with -%aggro (negative aggro) stats.
    it will help you to not get targeted by enemies (only if you are in a party) ;)
     
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    Komibii [TITLE] Elite Member

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    High dodge can be pretty nice, especially considering that most bosses' auto attacks are physical. The only real problem with dodge characters is when you encounter a boss with magic autos or a high hit rate, which doesn't happen too often, but if it does, you could always take another role besides tank.
     
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    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    She wants to make a support not tank.
     
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    Komibii [TITLE] Elite Member

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    I'm just saying that full dodge isn't terrible; you could solo Iconos with only 800 hp if you had a high dodge rate.
     
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    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    You are going off topic now.
    I specifically said its bad for supporter I did not say its bad in general.
     
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    Komibii [TITLE] Elite Member

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    Not really off topic tbh; someone made the thread to discuss a build that they may want to use, and someone brought up the subject of dodge rate; now we are discussing wether it is a bad stat for support or not. Dodge might not be the best stat for support, but we never really know. This person might like the idea, and if someone likes the idea enough to try it then it may work for them.
     
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    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    Ask @Raider_ If he would have high dodge. He is supporting before I even joined forums can explain better than me since you dont wanna believe me.

    Idk why you keep saying "we never really know" we indeed know coz we have tried.
     
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    Komibii [TITLE] Elite Member

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    I have a half AGI brawler with bless, and it works pretty well; it could just be that Raider did it wrong.
     
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    I have tried being a high dodge support, that was my first ever build 2 years ago xD

    If it is your play style, just know:
    Cons:
    Dodge isn't as reliable as resistance/gaurd rate.
    Evasion doesn't work without agro
    If you do get hit, you'll be very squishy (dead support isn't much fun)

    Pros:
    Buff Auras may stay up longer
    You will have to try different weapon combo --I have tried magic device, knucks, bow/bowgun with support build.... Staff and shield worked best for me in regards to staying alive and bringing everything I could into parties considering I was kicked 10 billion times for being support xD--(I put this as pro because, well, new support build threads always welcome XP)
    You'll be set to be a Dps as well later game --Dodge support I believe would be Agi>Int>Dex as opposed to mine which is a future Vit>Int>Dex build

    Just my opinions. I have been making a support for over two years, I have tried many things ( ._.) Most of which were failures xD
     
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    I may as well did xD knucks are a great supporting weapon :) they did not work for me though to support the way I do. I need to be able to get hit to be able to support sometimes (like Nurethoth, to survive eyes I need to stand right on tank and take all the AOE damage... Low HP isn't recommended, just from my experience with basically every boss in the game x.x some it's OK, others you'll be wiped in a second..
     
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    Evasion: This game mechanic operates a little differently at the moment compared to other titles. The current implementation is that evasion is activated on enemies physical skills, and physically changes your location. Though there is still autistic debate on the actual scope of activation.

    In Iruna, the prequel to this game magic evasion was also a passive. Though we have yet to see it implemented here.

    With that in mind, evasion is an option.
    Buffs:
    1h/Shield can utilize light armour, adding 20% evasion. While the shield skill tree has both magic and physical resistance buffs.

    Don't feel restricted to just 1h weapons either. Though, a benefit from some 1h weapons and dex builds is you'll benefit from faster cast speeds, though unfortunately if you're closer to the boss there are higher chances of being interrupted.

    The support tree can also be utilized for healing and defense etc.

    As a start, 1h is easier to get a feel for the game. As Dex can be a central stat for a few class builds. Making it easier to test different build early on. So save your free skill and stat resets you recieve, if they still offer them for new players.

    Find what you enjoy initially, as there are so many options available. So I'd say familiarize yourself with the skills in game, as the advice here can be a bit misleading at times, when ego and preferences collide.

    So in summary, check out.

    Primary buffs:
    >Shield skills
    >Support skills

    Secondary:
    >Blade > War cry.... Increases attack, debuffs fear. And fear is a pain in the arse status.
     
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    That's a different all together what @Raider_ has. Even just using knuckle vs staff. And they are looking for full support. Not just bless. It's a decent skill but it can't provide what many other skills can do for support. Using dodge with all other support skills is very different.
     
  20. Komibii

    Komibii [TITLE] Elite Member

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    4k hp works nicely for me, and what I especially love about brawlers is that you can easily change your combo depending on what you are fighting/what role you need to take. I will admit though, that the support skills that go away upon being hit don't work well for high-aggro, even with high dodge, and most of us know that the brawler isn't the stealthiest class.
    If you put bless in a combo with a swift tag it works pretty nice for a lot of builds, even if you have low MATK.
     

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