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Twins - heroic" duel wield build

Discussion in 'Hybrid' started by twinpeak, Oct 13, 2017.

  1. twinpeak

    twinpeak Member

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    ok im very new to this forum so please be kind and patient.
    ive been in toram around 6 months and like many have tried others builds from utube friends etc but none felt ..well RIGHT for me so i piled in many hours finding my own ballance of gameplay.
    today ill be sharing my personal favorite on duel wielder. i call it ..Heroic
    its not a huge dps fiend or a major tank however it fits perfectly in between.
    ok enough of the bull heres one of a few videos ive started doing.
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    its not aimed to impress just to guide people of a like minded Playstyle.
    the stats are simple.
    Screenshot_2017-10-13-09-16-58.png the gear even simpler!!
    Screenshot_2017-10-13-09-17-44.png of course i lack crystals but the one i have now is marchatar...
    i will obtain more !
    and finnaly the combo.
    Screenshot_2017-10-13-09-17-17.png its all very basic but effective.
    its productive for solo and pts and wont interupt any other classes skills.
    just purely prorate/dmg/survive.
    i hope to progress more with better xtals in the near future.
    but..
    for now i hope you enjoy my build.
    from twin ¥
     
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    Semi-tank builds are always nice to see.
     
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    y arent u using shadowstep or spinning slash.. u might have a better combo with it.. like this for example
    astute>warcry(save)>spinning(swift)>shadowstep(cons)>Impact (cons)>phantom slash(smite)>flash blast(cons)
    just use reflex manually will be better than spamming it in combo..
    spinning slash has magic proration so it will help to prorate ur phantom slash and might increase ur dmg
    while shadowstep help u for some crt rate.. since u can use shadowstep on 2skills :) even if theres impact between shadowstep and phantom slash phantom will always crt if u executit the skill right after the impact..
     
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    ah i dont use shadow as i personally think its a waiste of sp yes its benifits the traditional dw build... however im planing to vier away from traditional lol.
    it all depends on how samurai skills are usable ( future 145 skill )
    so yes theres much more to the build to come.
    but all good things take time lol.
    and spinning slash is a 50/50 for me i prefere reflex for the evasion boost.
    yet yes i can see spins benifits.
    the combos are always up to the person's Playstyles.
    im suprised how nice a response ive recieved about my first post.
    thank you for showing interest ^^.
    ill do more videos and improve this as the game progresses.
    stay tuned!
     
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    thank you i wasnt sure how the responses would be.
    possative reactions are 100% welcomed ^^.
     
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    i see.. tho shadowstep isnt really a waste of sp i u used it correctly.
    well if thats ur preference its up to u thats ur build dude and im just trying to ask something..
    and np i can help u up with anything about dw that i know^^


    can this build hold enuf aggro for the tank side? thats all thanks!
     
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    yes bro.
    however... vs smoke snipers its trickier theyre aggro pull is insaine
    BUT!!!
    if you added rage sword it would be ample enough aggro.
    and yes of course all info to further its development is highly appreciated!.
    what i ment by ss being a waiste was 10 sp to unlock it that was all and you can see that its not needed for this build ^^ yes t grants ampr IF at the end of a combo but with so many bosses granted with round aoes its easy for them to interupt it.
    my goal ultimately is too
    +add sam skills IF compatible with 1h users.
    +add vit till 200 ( 160 atm )
    +then focus dex
    - never add agi past 100 s.points
    -never add any skills wich cant be stoped like : tumble ( york talis ) etc.
    this is purely for mediocre damage.
    but effective for all situations.
    lastly ill add full tank+% xtals mixing hp and aggro and fractional dmg aids.
    at 145 the predicted outcome will be .
    minimum.
    20k hp
    1.3k atck
    700 flee
    wich if done correctly seems LEGITIMATELY boss lol.
    i will focus purely on this!.
    nice to be on forums finnaly ^^
     
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    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    Rage sword is 350 aggro only while smoke is 500aggro it is not enough lol trust me I always party with a dude that has the most insane aggro for a dps player (arrow mage) the people that say they can tank with 0aggro they prolly never tanked against him.
    Binding strike however is 500aggro which can be used as it has same aggro as smoke.

    About shadow step not only that but charging slash is a very good skill for tanking as it allows you to move far away from bosses to avoid aoes in an instant. Shadow + charging is the best combination of avoiding aoes which is why most of the dw dont even need hp or vit as if they time they can avoid all attacks altogether. I would say at least try it if you still think its not in your playstyle then fine.
    Also just having high hp wouldnt make you tanky its better if you can stack a lot of resistance as well. I dunno what kind of bosses you gonna fight but on nightmare mode where bosses can do more than 5-6k damage resistance is proven to be better than higher hp in terms of saving revitas and reducing revita consumption.
     
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    shadowstep isnt that easy to interupt if u used it correctly.. also shadow step has +200% crt rate buff which is nice to have..
    the prereq of shadow step(charging slash) is very helpful on diff bosses (imitacia best example) u can run away from a circular aoe since ull fly away from the aoe range and the enemy itself..(i just love to call it fly XD)

    atk stat isnt every thing for dw tbh.. high atk doesnt mean high dmg..
    my full ampr dw who has 1k (flat) atk no buff can reach 10k ps/hit which is nice

    my lil dw somehow managed to hold aggro against some arrow mages cuz i can spam spinning slash continously..
    i noticed that spins tick can give u some aggro(idk the exact formula) and its very helpful cuz our mage can stay on the 8m range while spamming his 1mp combo..
     
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    it all depends since flee is a massive help on dw combined with a high hp pool it works nicely done:
    ulti wm no issues √
    nm roga no issues √
    proto nm no issues √
    now for a build in progress and able to dmg it is a very nice factor.
    resistance gear of course is highly recommended for true tanks but as I've stated this is a hybrid semi dps + survival ^^ im extreemly greatfull for the feedback though.
    and yes i went up an arrow mage a few times thats why in previous comments i mentioned smoke'
    it is an aggro keeper but as you mentioned binding strike can be added too √.
    theres many ways to make this hella tanky in terms of aggro + survival.
    but the key i love about this is when phantoms in action those 3-/ seconds+ of invincibility are a massive plus √
    now add gear with motion -% ull stay in phantom longer √
    ill keep progressing this as caps raise but i strongly believe from testing its got high potential.
    and yes def+ mdef has a massive advantage but what will defence do when fast striking high dmg normal atck bosses come?
    ive considered many variables from aoes to normals and love the action so far ^^
    but im still waiting for samurai skills to come at which point ( if usable ) may make this build shine ¥
    hard work and perseverance will make any build idea good.
    thank you for keeping my brain cells pondering lol
     
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    lol i cant argue about shadow steps crit buff but..since it only adds crit to autos its not much of a miss to me.
    give me a few weeks to progress this and if its a fail all good but as of yet no issues ^^
     
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    shadowstep only gives crt boost to the skill not in the autos ;)
     
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    i always saw autos crit after shadow step but never skills..
     
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    I know about bosses that do strong and fast normal attacks evasion is good for them but theres also bosses that use very strong magic attacks one example is zolban on nm/ulti mode. I have seen so many dw die there while phantom slashing.
    Another good example is imitacia on nm mode+ you will see why charging is especially useful there instead of phantom.

    Evasion is good for bosses that only do mostly physical attacks and very strong normal attacks but resistance is good for any type of boss... You dont have to replace dps gears for resistance but instead your tank/hp gears for resistance gears theres also other ways to do it like the skills aegis/protection. The same problem is there with flee it either needs a small amount or needs an extremely high amount even after that it fails to help you dodge the strongest fractional aoes, it doesnt work for magic either.

    Not saying you need to change your build but just sharing my personal experience. Your personal choice on what boss you wanna farm it depends on that too. I just usually talk about all bosses in general.
     
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    this is a vid of mine astute+25 shadowstep+50(200% of base crt) base + 25 over all its 100Crt rate on skills
    both astute and twin slash are crting.. no crt gears or stat..
    shadowsteps discription said "adds crt rate on the next skill"
     
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    100% agree
    ah i see good for crits then but if your hit rates High enough its ok right? i know criticals do more dmg but what if Sam skills are higher in crit dmg +rate? the video demoing the skills are mainly critical so if they have the same buff as say triple kicks wouldn't that make ss pointless? this is why it may work ^^ its why i need a few weeks lol.
     
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    high crt can miss and be eveaded wjile crt can only be evaded.. both crt cuz of shadowstep cuz shadow step can stack in 2 skill.. in the vid astute and twin slash crt.. twin salas and astute has 0 crt bonus unlike triple kick that has 50crt bonus (assumption of mine) u can try it ur self ^^
     
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    this might help u understand about shadowstep :)
     
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    lol i understand
    lol i understood after your first explanation but what i ment is the New samurai skills at 145 cap on asobimsos official gamescon trailer shows that samurai skills seemed to always crit so im guessing if i can swap phantom for those skills the crit rate wont be needed ^^
     
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    i ment thease skills on dw ( replacing phantom ) if possable ¥
     

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