What Effects on Secondary Weapons Function?

To anyone who has ever asked this question, here's the breakdown:

Main: Staves
Staff/Knuck
MAtk decreases by -15%
Proc rate of brawler skills increase by 50% (base 25%: increases to 75%)
Element does not apply.
Secondary Substats do not function.*
Xtals on Secondary do not function.

Staff/MD*
Atk -15%
All spell use staves' smaller radii.
Proc Rate of brawler skills increases by 25%. (base 25%: Increases to 50%)
Secondary Substats do not function.*
Xtals on Secondary do not function.
(*this is a horrible combo.)

Staff/Dagger
All Substats function.
Element only applies to dagger via dagger skills.

Staff/Arrow
Stability does not apply
No substats function
Element only applies to bow skills
Def/mdef lower by -25%

Staff/Shield
Aspd lowered by -50%*
Shield Mastery removes this penalty by +5% per rank.
Shield Def stat is applied to Def & Mdef.
All other stats and subs apply normally.

Main: Bowguns
Bowgun/Knuck
MAtk decreases by -15%
Proc rate of brawler skills increase by 50% (base 25%: increases to 75%)
Element does not apply.
Secondary Substats do not function.*
Xtals on Secondary do not function.

Bowgun/MD
Atk decreases by -15%
All spell radii use wider MD range.
Proc Rate of brawler skills increases by 25%. (base 25%: Increases to 50%)
Secondary Substats do not function.*
Xtals on Secondary do not function.

Bowgun/Dagger
All Substats function.
Element only applies to dagger via dagger skills.
Stability adds. (Example: 50%+10%=60% Stability.)

Bowgun/Arrow
All substats function
Element applies to bow skills and auto attacks. (example:arrow rain)
Def/mdef lower by -25%
Stability adds. (Example: 50%+20%=70% Stability.)

Bowgun/Shield
Aspd lowered by -50%*
Shield Mastery removes this penalty by +5% per rank.
Shield Def stat is applied to Def & Mdef.
All other stats and subs apply normally.

Main: Knuckles
Knuck/MD
Atk is lowered by -15%.
All spell radii use wider MD range.
Stability Substats Function
Proc Rate of brawler skills decreases by 25%. (base 100%: Decreases to 75%)
Secondary Substats do not function.*
Xtals on Secondary do not function.

Knuck/Dagger
All Substats function.
Element only applies to dagger via dagger skills.
Stability adds.

Knuck/Arrow*
Substats do not function
Def/mdef lowered by -25%
(*this is a horrible combo. See notes below.)

Knuck/Shield
Aspd lowered by -50%*
Shield Mastery removes this penalty by +5% per rank.
Shield Def stat is applied to Def & Mdef.
All other stats and subs apply normally.


Main: 1h Swords
1h/Knuck
MAtk decreases by -15%
Proc rate of brawler skills increase by 50% (base 25%: increases to 75%)
Element does not apply.
Secondary Substats do not function.*
Xtals on Secondary do not function.

1h/MD
Atk lowers by -15%
All spell radii use MD range.
Proc Rate of brawler skills increases by 25%. (base 25%: Increases to 50%)
Element does not apply
Secondary Substats do not function.*
Xtals on Secondary do not function.

1h /Dagger
All Substats function.
Element only applies to dagger via dagger skills.
Stability adds

1h/Arrow
No substats function
Def/mdef lower by -25%

1h/Shield
Aspd lowered by -50%*
Shield Mastery removes this penalty by +5% per rank.
Shield Def stat is applied to Def & Mdef.
All other stats and subs apply normally.

Important Notes:

• Equipping an MD as secondary will make Charge use MD's charge time if its faster than the primary. (I know this is well known. But I included it to be thorough.)

• Power Wave (Passive lvl3: Magic Skill) will add the MD's Atk stat and all substats that apply. This works for Staff/MD too. Vita core (29+5) vs metal wings (32+5) vs irogeon (15+6) show substantial differences. Metal will crit more, as per it's subs. Vita still has higher average damage as per its stability 10% power wave uses Primary's stability as base (example: Knuck/vita; 90%+10%=100%: 95% is cap). Xtals on them work during power wave. My vita use astols. Metal Wings have a crit +2 xtal. So this must be a glitch they don't know about.

• Power wave with MD in secondary will negate damage penalty to Power Wave for not using a Staff or MD as your primary weapon.

• Bowgun with MD and Power Wave applies damage increase from Long Range between 8-10m (lvl2 Bow passive Bow skill).

• Max Stability is 100%.

• All of these were fully proofed by me. It took me a day. But feel free to proof it all yourself.
• (*) MAtk%, MAtk+, Atk%, Atk+, & Stability% always function on secondary equips. These are your only known exceptions.

UPDATE:
It appears one of the "minor bug fixes" in the update a week or two ago was to make stability of arrows only apply to Xbows and Bows.
This is the second time I've had to edit a thread based on an update directly after one of my threads. So devs must read the forum. That's just too coincidental.

 

One again, @Mugami to the rescue \^,^/
Great guide

 

Thx bro. Lol

 

So MD increasing the Tumble Rate of Impact is a myth?
A little offtopic but, does MD also increase Brawler skills when equipped as main?

 

MD is considered a brawler weapon by the game. But it has 50% proc rate. Where knuckles have a 100%. All other weapons have a 25% Proc rate.

And yes, from the OP, I list MDs as adding to proc rate by 25% when equipped in secondary. Only knuckles and MDs add to proc rate

So yes, if you have knuckles on Secondary and you're using a Staff on main; your proc rate will literally triple.

 

That's not what I meant. Not Staff vs MD tumble rate. I've heard a lot of times that Impact has higher tumble rate with Staff/MD. I'm curious about Knuck/1H + MD sub.

 

sorry noob question, what is proc?

 

I have impact at 10 ranks. Proc increases by +5% per rank for staves. MDs have built in proc for all status effects of 50% when used as main and 25% on Secondary.
So an MD mage will always proc at impact 10. It still then has a roll versus mental as normal.

 

Proc rate is the rate at which an ability or effect triggers.

"Crit rate" is technically a proc rate for crit damage, for instance.

 

Suddenly makes me want to create a Fairy Brawler again

 

My favorite char is a breaker mage. She can often take 3 of the party rewards. Lol

 

And just in case I haven't been clear:
Proc rate doesn't mean "inflict".
Its the chance to inflict a status.

Example:
MD Mage uses lvl5 Impact.
MD on main gives 50% Proc.
Impact 5 gives 25% Proc.
So every casting of Impact has a 75% chance to proc all enemies hit. (This is on a 1 for 1. Its rolled separately for each enemy. The enemy is then allowed to roll against the affliction.

 

can you tell me the method you did to get the actual percent figures on the Proc rate increase?
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I used smash>sonic(consecutive)>bash(consecutive) repeatedly.
Did it the combo 33 Times for each combination. Then a single bash.
That gives 100 breaks. Count the number of successes. Repeat with a character with pure dex for the higher accuracy. This gives the proc and the difference on the inflict.

 

Youd get 75% proc rate and enjoy slapping things really fast. Lol

 

additional info, if in any case someone wants to know (source: http://www2.hp-ez.com/hp/mobilephoenix/page29)

condition: if knuckle is main (and sub, there was a test that confirmed that even using sub as knuckles still give effects same if it's used as main, that's why Staff+Knuckles have high DPS output)

Smash: +50% dmg, +25% flinch
Bash: +50% dmg, +25% stun
Sonic Wave: +25% dmg, +25% tumble
Shell Break: +100% dmg.. no data, from my test it's around 30% chance, same with Strong Chase Attack, both have duration at 5 seconds Break.
Earth Bind: +25% dmg, +50% stop
Heavy Smash: +150% dmg, +50% lethargy
Triple Kick: +100% dmg, +50% crit rate.. 3 hits, each hit will recalculate damage

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Equipping Bowgun+Arrow only receives 1/2Atk from the Arrow then do you think Stability is similar to?
MD as sub-weapon also increases the chance to inflict Status of Javelin and Blast; when using Main weapon not Staff, it adds 1 more Lance at lv5 skill (maybe lv10 too i haven't tested yet ) and increases dmg of Impact (+100%?)

 

Arrow gives its full stability. Tested.

 

Yeah, that's because it's proc. Knuckles should do the same. I never thought to test that. Feel free.