Which is better stat for 2h? Enlighten me pls.

Question, is there much a difference between using an a7s7cd15 and an a7cd7cd15 when you already have a full crit armor? I'd like to ask about a7cd7s7 as well

 

There's actually quite a huge difference basically, strength 7% increases overall attacks but a7cd7cd15 is more dependent on your chances of doing crit attacks in the first place, but if you do have high crit rate and already high crit damage I do suggest going for crit equipment

 

Insert those stats in the coryn club calculator and see for yourself. Ascd7% and as7%cd15 gave same stats while acd7%cd15 have lower atk but higher cdmg

 

Thank you both for the answers xD
I was thinking whether to just use a a7s7cd15 2h since I already have cd7ccc15 (or rather cd7 itself) on my armor

 

Allow me to preach what Lord-XIII tought to this lowly peasent: 'Constants are puny in the face of Multipliers'. Praise XIII-sama's tome of offense for these data btw, and your atk is a constant too. Cdmg is multiplier.

But yes if u cant crt u cant cdmg, but 2h has +50crt astute and the disliked beserk +50crt. Go with whatever floats your boat

 

So your choice for critical damage is because that you can continue adding attack via Dex stat which basically adds just +1 after your strength is maxed at 255? Like seriously? I suggest you go for other stats or even crit stat instead cos no chance of you enjoying the benefit if you don't crit often enough and wihw crit, you don't very much require the accuracy given by Dex so other than increasing your attack by a little, there's really not much use to it.

 

But anyway, everyone do have a different style of playing, different builds and different equipment they have right now, so I shall not challenge your explanation any further

 

Well that and graze reduction from adding dex, but if you don't farm higher difficulty bosses on a frequent level it doesn't matter much.

 

Lets say all, you can add all the dex you want for fix graze but you will still graze in nm, ult example imitator nm lol

 

Let's math it all out guys!
Base stat Str255
Lets say your base attack is 1500

Atk7% =
Simple +1.07x atk multiplier on your attack
You will have your cdmg multiplier of +2.01x
Atk ~ 1570
Critical Atk ~ 3155.7

Str7% =
An extra 17.85 str so you get an extra +53.55 atk
Your cdmg multiplier will go up to +2.0457x
Atk ~ 1553.55
Critical Atk ~ 3178

Cd7% =
Your atk will stay the same at 1500
Your cdmg multiplier will become 2.15x (remember that cd7% only caps at +14 cause of asobimo's update)
Atk ~ 1500
Critical Atk ~ 3225

Cd15 =
Your atk will again stay at the same 1500
Your cdmg multiplier will be 2.16x
Atk ~ 1500
Critical Atk ~ 3240

If you focus on cdmg then I would follow the guidelines of
Cd15 > Cd7% > Str7% > Atk7%

Anyone who thinks that Str7% > Cd15/Cd7% is simply trying to sell you 7k mana for a rip off price lol. Understand the game before speaking nonsense.

 

You can find def values for either to be better. Only cd15>cd7% is absolute. Using your example:

def = 627-1570 => atk7% is best
def = 550-627 => str7% is best
def = 0-550 => cd15 is best

 

With the base stats we can mix them all up and do simple calculations. Again, lets have the same 255 Str and 1500 atk.

Atk7%Cd7%Cd15 =
Lets add the basic atk+7% first so it'll be another +105 atk
Then we add the Cd7% which caps at +14 cdmg
Then we add the Cdmg+15
Atk ~ 1605
Critical Atk ~ 3691.5

Atk7%Str7%Cd15 =
Your attack increases by +105 atk from atk7%
You get an extra 17.85 str so you get an extra +53.55 atk once again from Str7%
You also get an extra +0.0357 cdmg bonus from the extra str
Then you add the extra Cdmg+15
Atk ~ 1658.55
Critical Atk ~ 3641.67

Atk7%Str7%Cd7% =
Your attacks increases by +105 from atk7%
Then you get the extra 17.85 str leading the the extra +53.55 atk and the extra +0.0357 cdmg bonus from the extra str
Then you add the +14cdmg from Cd7%
Atk ~ 1658.55
Critical Atk ~ 3625.092735

Thus concluding that :
Atk7%cd7%Cd15 > Atk7%Str7%Cd15 > Atk7%Str7%Cd7%

 

Yeps, as your weapon improves, so will the gap between str7% and Cd stats. at 1000 atk, str7% trumps over the cd15 and cd7%. Just didn't know any 2h that had below 1.5k....

 

Woahhhh, I misread that....what does def have to do with weapon stats? Isnt the dmg output going to be the same? Unless def blocks some of our attacks before the cdmg is applied? Where is this information found of boss def found? Has it been finalized and tested?

 

Refer to XIII's DPS thread for the full dmg formula. But without other factors (such as skill constants, skill multipliers), it is (ATK-DEF)*Cdmg

 

Yeppp I just looked into it, you're absolutely right. Def does play an important role within the dmg calculations, however as I can see, most bosses dont have more than 500 def. Unless it was under certain conditions such has zhahhak having 1000 def and bosses that increases their def due to flinches n stuns. This can be different from mode to mode as well, however I'm just basing it on normal mode.

 

Just wanted to point out.
7% ATK will also always give more ATK and boost than 7% STR when we are comparing +S weapons. Refine and weapon atk as well gets multiplied by 7% ATK as well but not 7% STR.
If you keep that in mind base ATK of 2h is always 1800-2000
You also need to take into account def, the skill's constant, and the cd% and atk% on your other equipments.
All in all if I wanted to make a comparision:-
Cd15 is best (Needs low pot but bigger damage boost)
Cd7% vs Atk7% (The usefulness depends on enemy def and skill constant as such always fluctuating)
Str7% gives the lowest boost.
Atk7% Cd7% Cd15 is the winner.

 

(Off topic) Questionnnn!! On bow, theres a split between people who use fc+15 and atk7ccc. Isn't it better to take up Cd7% because of armor break from snipe?

 

Don't atk boost from str% count as stat boost? So atk% applies? I thought the only atk that is not counted for atk% is the flat atk stats?

 

For bow yes cd7% is usually better than atk7%

Yes they do but the overall boost still is in favour of atk7% because it boosts all base ATK including the ATK from Lvl, Dex, Weapon. While Str7% only gets boost from base Str.