XIII's Mad Creations: The Whirlwind DW (Phase [3/3])

mm...... So Spinning is that strong........? oh well.... but i still think Twin Slash win DPS with speed ^^

 

I mean, what if they add Head shot chance to Snipe?? (Just like Phantom has insta kill on it)
And they both works on everything (mobs and bosses) in Toram??

 

Then I'll play FULL AGI SNIPE with
Moeba -> impact (safe) -> Snipe (Swift) -> Par Shot (Cons)
Spam as fast as possible hoping for insta death -_-

THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN

 

Well.... I hope it will happen........ adding burn effect on rampage and fatigue on tempest....fraction on tkick....stop effect on storm xD
(also add pierce stat on arrow rain)
That'd be nice if it all happens and we can also make it work on bosses...(dw and bg/bow will rule tho)

 

Twin is also a good DPS skill. Great burst damage and massive crit damage boost. It's on the core skills for a reason.

 

First of all, BUMP (accidental)!
Second, THANK GOODNESS I FINALLY RESET MY SKILL TREES! So this build is officially into Phase 2 (Aka Testing)! Thanks for the tips everyone!
And finally, thanks @Cypherian and @Szchev` (finally found your name ^^') for your videos about the Auto Cancel combo's timing! Really helped a bunch! (Currently using Trigger as my first optional skill.) I've also found during my first tests that it has to do with Trigger being Swifted.

 

you don't really have to swift Trigger. It's better to practice on non swifted trigger slash so you have a grasp on when to cancel. practice until you can call when to cancel autos and how many hits you want to make hit first before cancelling

 

Swifted trigger slash provides 1x 100% auto attack cancelling for new DW players and 2x 100% auto attack cancelling for decent DW players. During spin ticks + swifted trigger slash provides 3x = 6x quick proration. 100% - 75% for advanced DW players. (depends on the momentum, position or situation.)

All of these mechanics comes from a basic "Trigger slash 1 auto cancel trick", a well-known mechanic for DW mains. I enhanced it for my personal preferences and ended up abusing Spin/Astute > step save > trigger swift, actually this is my build's core combo due to quick proration boost + quick AMPR boost + Bombarding quick 100% damage +motion speed boosted + quick prorated Astute + Spinning slash, and when I say quick, I mean .. QUICK. (depends on the player's timing and .. Knowledge towards these mechanics.)

I can easily share these combos because I know that no one will ever use them due to the fact that people prefer using long double smited combo. I prefer using short combos. and I am a 3 stats DW.
Personal stat choice:
Dex 155 (upto 200)
Str 100 (upto 150)
Agi 43 (can be reduced, purpose of this stats for me is just to make my attack speed exactly 1,100. it can be slightly higher but cannot be lower than 1,100 for removing auto attack interval.)

Why this is my stat choice? Personal reason. (everything has been tested and I like this one the most.)

Have a couple of hidden mechanics in my mind. Still. I'm still thinking if I will let everyone see these mechanics. Still thinking.

 

PM me those hidden mechanics PLS

 

Hmm .. Combo setup for bosses that can be Impacted:

Spin 100% > Astute smite 150% > impact (magic proration booster + next skill MP halve) cons = 0MP > Twinslash/Phantom Slash smite 150%/Swift 100%(MP halved) > shadowstep save > Triggerslash swift (pseudo swifted your next combo starter.)

OR ..

Astute 100% > Spinning slash swift 100% (faster) / smite 150% (slower) > impact (magic proration booster + next skill MP halve) cons = 0MP > Twinslash/Phantom Slash smite 150% /Swift 100% (MP halved) > shadowstep save > Triggerslash swift (pseudo swifted your next combo starter.)

300MP = Twinslash (Faster but more risky and less damage but can actually deal more damage due to its insane internal crit damage multiplier.)
400MP = Phantom slash (Slower but safer and can deal more damage if not guarded,evaded or missed.)

Ok .. just a combo for specific bosses, for now. These is how I set up my 2 Smited combos or utilize swift tag and abuse it to its fullest when needed. Yes, I abuse swift tag a lot. Actually sometimes in a very specific scenario, I prefer swift more than smite. I like them both tho, I just find swift tag more useful overall.

 

Noted, thanks!
Also @Szchev` , I was about to say: "Up to you. Just remember that, if it's in the game, it's there for people to find out about it."... but then someone came and asked first lol.

 

What separates our builds apart is the thin line of DPS. your reliance on Auto Attack Cancellation and Impact suggests you prioritize DPS up-time m ore. Solo Capability is good for a STR main double stat. but most bosses have different proration values. A certain boss can have full proration after 3 hits, some 5, some 7 or even more. So spamming isn't really a good choice some of the time.

Combos are pretty decent considering most of them are long. Which defeats your purpose of doing

 

Knowledgable DW don't just spam skills even if someone told them to do it. The auto attack cancelling that I revealed is an isolated mechanics that you can use if you want or ignore if you don't. I just posted it there, it's up to them on how, where and when they decided to use it and utilize it to its full potential.

I don't wanna compare every mine to yours, but I just wanna say what separates between us, It's welcoming new mechanics that other people made, I think that you need to welcome new mechanics even if you don't want it yourself. You should be the "senpai" for new DW mains here, the number of interested people towards maining DW is very low, and It's so awkward and unhealthy to compare "your choices" to "other people's choices" because my/your/their purpose, skill builds and stat choices of one full build will surely differs to your/my/their full build. We all just need to "respect" other people's perspective in this game.

I just wanna tell this, there are couple of DW mains in toram and they're .. almost flawless. They're so good and both of them are not active in this forum. They're both guests. In short, There's people with crazy personal mechanics that's not even active in this forum and I can tell that one of them is a complete monster and I respect him a lot.

 

I was using auto attack cancellation before you revealed it. Since not many went DW. I kept secrets of my own.

The reason I compared mine to yours. Is the similarity in our playstyles and our builds. From every bit to our combo. Including equips.Yes I saw your build video. And There is only one thing you are missing that I have.

And as the Senpai Here.I dont give specifics. I teach people how to build from a concept that I learn, so that they learn from it as well.

Yes not every one of the OPs are in these forums. Because not many tend to share their secrets.

 

Sure, I know you already knew auto attack cancelling. I mean, I'm seeing you as an intelligent DW player so you should know that one already.
We never talk about anything together. Playstyle, skill choices, combos and item choices but, considering the fact that we both abuse 2x on-hit auto attack proc boost on DW, and our playstyle is somewhat similar .. People tend to compare us both. I get that, I just don't like that.

I read a bunch, test things a lot, character deleted-created a couple of times, experimenting things and improving my discoveries over and over again. Playstyle wise, very similar, but I discovered and improved a lot of things "in my own personal preferences" and I think that that one thing you're saying that I don't have, will probably never gonna happen to my build and playstyle. This is where my build evolves, this is how my playstyle improves.

 

Late reply! (Got a lot of stuff to do...) Not gonna quote any of the posts of that discussion cause it's quite a stretch, so I'll just tag your name here.
Anyway, @Cypherian and @Szchev` :
It's pretty obvious that a lot of DWs are strong due to the players sticking to the class despite its weaknesses. They find ways to go around them, and eventually grow stronger as Dual Wielders as well as players, unlike the people who just use a cookie cutter build because it's effective on the spot. The build that I published (notice that I didn't use "made") is here to help me with that, as it familiarizes me with mechanics I didn't get to use (Auto Cancel for example). I'm not aiming to be a pro player or anything, just to surpass my current limits and expand my knowledge of the game.
Secondly, I feel like keeping secrets is a waste. To me, if any feature (be it an advertised one, be it a hidden one or be it a bug) is in a game, it was intended to be discovered and used (with the exception of bugs in some cases), so eventually someone will discover it and publish it. Granted, you can learn by yourself, but there's a lot of people who have difficulties with that, not because they're lazy, but because they learn faster when there's someone there to explain (Think about it: why are most schools and universities using people to teach instead of just books). This is why I always share what I know to others. I'm not judging anyone who does keep secrets though; it's a matter of opinions and I'm just stating mine.

 

Exactly, Special mechanics needs to be shown to be able to open new windows of possibilities and to boost DW's growth as well but some of them needs to be protected at the same time as well especially for those who are new in this game but somehow discovered something new, If that guy released that newly discovered mechanics, other people will not give the respect that (s)he actually deserve. The worst thing is .. They will take every possible advantage to claim the mechanics and disregard the fact that other person actually discovered it because of the fact that that person is only a new toram player.

I get what you're trying to say, actually, I don't like people keeping secrets too, notice how I use "Szchev's secret" in my previous videos and some of my videos as well? It's because I'm actually revealing secrets in my videos but .. I deleted my "Gemini teaser" video because one of my deepest secrets was accidentally revealed there. That's what I'm preventing to happen. I know that every smart DW mains knows how to cancel auto attacks/reset combos, and they already knew it for a long time, but they tend to keep that one secret. I am the first one to really explain every detailed information about abusing auto attack cancelling, every single bits including where that mechanic came from, how to do it, how do you benefit from it and when to use it and abuse it to its full potential. Everyone knows it, but I am the first one to reveal it. Why? Because why not? If you can do it, then do it. Abuse it. if you cannot but you wanna do it? Practice it. If you cannot and you don't want it? Ignore it. The mechanics is there, only upto you if you wanna use it or not.

Mid august, I posted a video about "How to cancel target's fatal channeling attack as a DW". The next day, someone's telling me that I copied his/her discoveries and saying that (s)he will report me and destroy my name in many maps including farm sites and in sofya and also in forums as well. I was so young and fragile that time and I am so worried about my reputation. So I deleted the video. I don't want that to happen again anymore so I always tend to praise every smart DW players (new/old) and always give them what they deserve to hear. New helpful players need credentials and acknowledgement as well. Not only new DW, but new toram players in general.

If someone ask "why?" I will say "why not?"

Overall, some secrets needs to "show and explain" for positive progress, but other secrets needs to "show without any explanation" for them to discover it themselves. If you notice it, lucky you. If not? That means you're not interested. Just as simple as that.

 

who told you that you copied them? can you give an ign?

 

I don't wanna give specific IGN about that kind of issue to protect him/her and also, I don't care about it anymore. That IGN can be for male or female so I don't actually know if that player is a boy or a girl. His/her IGN is not active anymore, and also, I'm seeing a lot of new names in this forum so maybe (s)he created a new account in forum and rename his/her toram account. But I doubt (s)he quits.

 

Update!
- Added solo testing and overall abilities testing.
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