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dagger skill update (26.1.17)

Discussion in 'Secondary Trees' started by Red_Fox, Jan 26, 2017.

  1. TheShadow

    TheShadow Well-Known Member

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    No, gatling is slower than storm. You can't include storm's animation since the storm it's self animated independently of the caster. Yes trigger can be used to make a speedy gatling, but Halberd and Brawler can't get trigger. Other wise it's just slow (especially for a dagger throwing skill). The lack of speed maybe be fine on a 1h since full dex/str offers damage over speed compensation. Same with halberd with full str/agi. Brawler can as well with full agi/dex, but I take speed over damage in this case.
     
  2. Haroshi

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    Screenshot_2017-01-27-08-17-16.png Screenshot_2017-01-27-08-17-37.png Screenshot_2017-01-27-08-17-49.png Gatling dagger dmg test.
    Cereb Normal with PT
    Full STR sub AGI
     
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    And now gatling hits higher than tempest, i knew it xD, did u check the dmg before update? Before mine was 9.4k x16 but i deleted like 3-4weeks before this update
     
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    I meant the spin around cast animation and cast speed that comes along with storm, if you watch, the animation time for gatling and the total cast time + spin animation for storm have (similar) times in total, gatling is probably still slower, but it is similar.
     
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  5. TheShadow

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    My point is that gatling is slower (even if the times seem similar). Gatling having similar cast time to storm doesn't make it faster. it's still slow. It's not ramage (which is too slow) or phantom slash (which at least gets invincibility), but it's still slow. Plus, I'm not only digging at it's animation time alone. It just really irks me that Spike Dart and Gatling Knife don't have similar animation times (i would say that gatling would have to require much more knives being throw to justify)

    And again, what is slow to me may be different to others, it's just that for me I would only use gatling on a ranged build or in cases where the damage out put is just so great that I can disregard the speed. @Haroshi has shown an example of that above.
     
  6. Cypherian

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    Gatling dagger that is capable of up to 20 hits. hitting around 9k per hit. an easy 180k damage.
     
  7. Haroshi

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    Gatling dagger can only hit 12hits max with amazing throw. +4hits only not like spike x2 daggers
     
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    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    They seem more than 12 on the first pic
    So prolly you got interrupted?
    Or maybe gatling itself has chance to hit 6,7 or 8 hits which get multiplied 2x by amazing throw.
     
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    or maybe amazing throw counts each hit individually so it can range from 9 to 16
     
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    the kunai battle begin!
    (im still lvl 60 T^T)
     
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  11. Cypherian

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    16 hits Gatling.
    Screenshot_2017-01-27-21-08-00.png
     
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    So its random. 8 is regular, 8,12,16 nice..
     
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    think of it like Ogre Magi's Multi Cast 50% chance to Double the first 4 hits, then 25% chance to double all hits.
     
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    21 hits gatling.
    So its possible that a single can hit can do 2 more hits each, for a possible 3 times. So its possible to do 24 hits on gatling.
    Screenshot_2017-01-27-21-19-47.png
     
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    Those are two seperate casts of gatling 350dmg and 390dmg
    In a single cast dmg remains same all over so maximum is still 16hits
     
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    that's just one cast.
     
  17. Haroshi

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    I already have the core skill combo for 1h dagger. Its punishment ray,trigger,gattling dagger. 100%crit on 2 skills, trigger & gattling(smited+swift-trig) (tested) but im still hesitant to finish the build. Maybe go for 2mp combo. Spike,poison(save),dag throw(swift),p.ray (swift),trigg (cons),gatling dag (smite),flash stab/smash(cons)
     
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    I cant aggree with you. Dmg should be the same if 1 cast only. 340 then 390 thats defenitely 2 cast
     
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    Y crit on trigger it never misses anyway
     
  20. Haroshi

    Haroshi Well-Known Member

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    My purpose is not to put crit on trigger.
    I need trig to hasten animation of gattling dagger. Punishment ray can put 100% crit in 2 skills if used properly. Also crit is better than 100%accuracy still. In that combo 2skills are buffed 100%crit

    You can try it in low lvl char.
    Get P.ray 10 manual cast it
    Use trigger + gattling (cons)
     
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