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Which is better stat for 2h? Enlighten me pls.

Discussion in '2-Hand' started by Hyakuya Mika, Apr 9, 2018.

  1. Hyakuya Mika

    Hyakuya Mika Active Member

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    A7cd714 or a7s7cd7?
    What is the difference between the two? Or when is it better to use it? Im new to physical class so pls help me:)
     
  2. Xellos Le’ventis. Esq.

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    for new 4th skills i will say s7 better than cd14 now
     
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    A7%S7%cd15

    Need less pot and gives more CD. Or better yet gamble
    A7%S5%cd15cr15
    For more crit
     
  4. ingame778

    ingame778 Well-Known Member

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    Coryn club calculator showed ascd7% has higher atk and lower cdmg than acd7%cd14 but u should get acd7%cd15 not cd14

    Since str is capped, ascd7% isnt gonna rise in atk or cdmg anymore but acd7%cd15 will rise cdmg from dex. Pick whatever is convinient and cheap for u, both roughly the same anyways

    BONUS: Get lezvie from odelon, best sword currently (says the forums) but untradable so to +S or not its ur decision
     
  5. Omega EH

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    Depends on your build, personally ascd7%
     
  6. Omega EH

    Omega EH UR Empress Elite Member

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    But aren't you wasting the stat strength since it gives more attack than Dex?
     
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  7. Desandra

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    Ascd7->1. Give you more atk power (around 50-ish with 255str), 2. Need higher pot (60) to get 100% chance stating, 3. Less mana needed to stat=cheaper stat service cost, 4. More atk should give better output on high def mobs.
    Acd7cd15->1. Give you more cdmg but less atk power, 2. Less pot needed (41) to get 100% stating, 3. More mana needed to stat=more expensive stat service cost, 4. More cdmg should give better output on low def mobs.
    Personally, i prefer ascd7 because of the atk power & 60 pot 2h isn't hard to find, plus i can make it by myself with my lvl 90 tec char.
     
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  8. Asatu

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    Are you sure str +7% at capped stat str wont give ANY beneficial status (atk and cdmg), first time i heard it.
     
  9. ingame778

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    Yes more attack but less cdmg from coryn club calculator. Because str is capped so no more future bonuses, also i analayzed that more cdmg is 'probably better' than more atk

    But the above is moot now since lezvie is meta sword
     
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    ingame778 Well-Known Member

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    I mean the str beneficial statuses are max and cannot increase anymore at lv80 but dex could probably benefit from extra cdmg
     
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    Asatu Well-Known Member

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    Why not ask Mr. @Red_Fox ?
     
  12. Desandra

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    Str% indeed still give benefit at 255str. They works like this, stat% give additional bonus based on the percentage for every stats you get from the respective stats for your respective weapon.
    Example: as 2h we get 3atk for every 1 str. Assume you have 255str and using 1 gear with str7% (armor or weapon), the atk bonus calculation goes like this:
    (7%*3)*255=53atk (rounded down).
    Str is also gave cdmg, but the cdmg gained from str7% is miniscule, it is better to get acdcd stats if u want to focus on cdmg. (5str=1cdmg)
     
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  13. ingame778

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    But of course, since i'm the newb here xddddddd
    Can str reach 300 or 500? If not then the str% benefits will stop once reaching 255str, unless the above post and veterans confirms it otherwise
     
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    you can not use your stat points to raise STR beyond 255, but you can still use STR stats from equipment.
    STR% does not include STR+ from equipment, but with 255 STR, the % will always be more effective than the +.
     
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  15. ingame778

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    Nahh it was a retoricle question for my quoted post above xddddddd

    But the thread question is: ascd7%'s str benefits will stop once capped str? That would mean lv150 140dex benefits more at acd7%cd15 than ascd7%?

    I'll repeat once again, lezvie from odelon beats both swords at dps. No more discussion needed except for second hand value lol
     
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    But strength is what gives cdmg more so if you increase strength, won't you increase cdmg as well?
     
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    Str benefits will not stop.
    It may be true that we can't add more STR (more than 255) manually. But we can increase STR by using STR stats on our equipments. STR equipment stats will increase ur STR (giving u all the STR benefits)
     
  18. mayam

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    Cd15 will beat str7% in a lot of scenarios if you need comparision between them. If you try doing calculation str7% gives like 65-70 ATK at most and 3cd that small amount can NOT beat 15cdmg unless you are already brim filled with cdmg equipment. Dragon ears an old popular 2h add giving cdmg5% was the main reason flat cd had less effect than str7% but nowadays the main add is tyrant mask which gives atk so the focus on equipment should be cdmg so as such balance between cd and atk remains.
    Best 2h in general I say lezvie as well.
     
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    Ur question is answered by the Great Mayam-sama above and below ^_^
     
  20. Omega EH

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    Strength still, because it increases overall attacks and S7% can increase with other equipment so you needn't need to crit in order to benefit
     
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