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Monetary system of the game.

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Manish Kunwar, Dec 7, 2018.

  1. Manish Kunwar

    Manish Kunwar Well-Known Member

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    It's not about people hoarding up money. Read the question right then think and answer rather than directly jump into comment section then looking back what the thred was!

    I was asking the overall spnia management system of whole game above filthy bots and player and really in to the functioning part of the game.
     
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  2. screamingfox

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    Erm, your mistaking me. Suzuki, and any developer for that matter, would never willingly allow their economy to be run/ruined by bots if given the choice. They simply don't have a choice but to do so. This is why they reduced the amounts of spina that could be gained in the first place. It's also why they implemented the monster culling system, to reduce the effectiveness of mass farming in a solitary map. Sadly, these methods can only slow things down, and can't outright stop a bot army. The resources to do so are far to great and the algorithms to do so automatically aren't reliable and are constantly fought against by bot developers.

    If bot farmers weren't making money off of spina sales, tuyuls, and the sell of their own boting code, they wouldn't stay here. As profit could easily be found in any of the other hundred MMO's that have this problem. It's simply something Devs have to adjust for, because it's inevitable problem that all games in the MMO market have to face.

    If this doesn't satisfy your answer though, my apologies. o3o.

    As for a perfect economy without botting. I believe the sources to generate currency have been named earlier in the thread. If the economy weren't extremely inflated, i'd say that those are very reliable methods towards players gaining income. The game is far to inflated in my opinion for those to be viable for the average player to become "rich" but can definitely keep a flow of income coming into the game. Especially since most money sinks in the game are optional and aren't punishing to skirt around.
     
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  3. Lucifere

    Lucifere Angel of Rebellion Elite Member

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    To summarize FURRYING QUIT TRADES CB AND GIFTS :p
     
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    If you notice farming with a pt in bosses drops spina as reward, if you check right now spina reward has been fairly rare compared to a few years ago when most xtals costs less than 1m, and also back then there are certain mobs that are actually quite profitable if you sell their mats, and up until now you can still see some bots farming them...

    Now how do they manage the reduction of spina, well there's quite a lot, blacksmith, cb, quitting players, etc. Which are fairly easy to spot, plus if worse comes to worst they can just throw in an event that can serve as a spina sink...

    Now how do they monitor the flow? most probably by the amount of transfer/movement by trade, signboard and the consignment board, and a lot of math does the rest

    And earning spina to cap is possible, without rmt or bots, the easiest example is by buying 99x zoe for 1m each and selling them when the event ends, for 2m-3m or possibly more, that could earn you more than 179m-269m profit while donating 20m-30m to cb tax. do that every event and you can earn that 2.1b in no time, and the more you hoard the more you earn, the faster you reach spina cap.

    And there are lots of items to choose from, dyes, apps, xtals, problem is you can also loose big time if the item you hoarded looses value, so it's a double edge sword
     
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  5. Barzeft

    Barzeft It is better to be silent instead of hurtful Elite Member

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    As Jerry mentioned that's not what I meant but in reality we can guess or come up with endless theories as to how it works and still not be right because only the game developers know what their plan is.
     
  6. HoboOnline

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    Good question.

    I guess the value of items in game, depends on the availability of spina and item quantities.

    I remember in the beginning (2015), when selling a Minotaur xtal would be an easy 1m, but now you're lucky to get 50k.

    It's a complex relationship, but players tend to set their own prices. When they need spina badly, they tend to drop the price of their items. If they have a lot of spina, they tend to hold out longer if they're selling.

    When a new item arrives in game, its value is always at the high end, until supply is saturated.

    Example:
    Sacred Armour:
    Update:
    +1 Hour = value 1m
    +2 Hours = 800k
    +3 Hours = 600k
    +4 Hours= 300k
    +5 Hours= 120k
    Now... 20-40k

    But by April / May, the armour will probably be about 200-400k. .. October maybe 500k.

    The best bet, is always to be at the leading end. By staying with the level cap, and being first in during the updates.

    Exclusive / fast access ensures you're able to set high prices. But, after 100m,you'll notice you're not interested in buying most of the junk on the CB, as it devalues rapidly.

    A new 2s armour player made will tend to be around 80-120m. Then once an update pushes the stat limits up, they rapidly lose value, to around 40-60m...then after the next update. They hit the floor 10-20m +/- 3m.

    In terms of players leaving, it does take spina /items away. Which is often a good thing for players who stick with the game. As longer players know more about the economy than new players, so we have a better understanding of item values.
     
  7. Trcky

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    nice theory on pricing items:)
    I sold my "Sacred Ice Armor" app as soon I updated Toram for 300k spina, then after I sold it somebody selling theirs for 1m+ :p
     
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  8. Jbazt

    Jbazt Into the Forsaken Realm of Consciousness Elite Member

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    My English is not good (not my native language) but I'll try to comment anyway. As for what I understand, you are worried and questioning how newbee players can acquire stuffs without game's effective way of earning Spina for them? Your question is from someone who thinks spina is the only way a newbee player can acquire gears, xtals, dyes, etc so they can enjoy playing. But i cant blame you coz Bots, mods, tuyuls are a major factor why prices of gears, xtals, etc fluctuates and it's also a major factor that increases Spina circulating in game that implanted players perception that earning SPINA is the goal or the shortcut route to game's satisfaction. altho that attitude in all MMO is normal and expected, there's also farming all what you need than buying all you need, theres also knowing the game first understanding whats in demand now and will become in demand soon so you can plan what farm is potentially good, theres also joining a guild that can help you understand your class, the farms, the game mechanics as a whole, game is running for 4 years (?) now so you can research on your own also coz theres a lot of references in www. Amount of spina that can be earned by each players is endless its just a question of how much time you willing to spend to meet your goals whether its for farming your desired gears or a farm to convert output to spina. As long as trade is OPEN theres no way devs can interfere on the continues production of spina and forever players will become slave to a corrupt mentally that fully contradicts how an MMO should be truly played. infact spina hoarders should never affects newbees and economy being destroyed will benefits them even more prices became so cheap and affordable. but still this will not justify bots, mods, tuyuls, buggers coz they might be making stuffs cheaper, but they are also denying newbee their supposedly potential sources of spina at the early phase of playing (mino skins, bottles, mats, pots, low lvl boss drops/xtals, etc)
    sorry i may not fully understand the question or the reply is not related :fail:
     
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  9. Manish Kunwar

    Manish Kunwar Well-Known Member

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    The second one NOT RELATED
     
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    it's the forum sickness called in many terms...
    (so kindly understand them)
    such as attention seekers or just plain (HPD) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
  11. Manish Kunwar

    Manish Kunwar Well-Known Member

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    Guess so not gonna reply anything now :/
     
  12. Jbazt

    Jbazt Into the Forsaken Realm of Consciousness Elite Member

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    Yep I kinda hit bulls eye heh? U one of those players that think Spina is everything in this game. :D
     
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  13. Manish Kunwar

    Manish Kunwar Well-Known Member

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    Oh wow! Just freaking wow!!!

    You are the person who is spamming random shit for points without even knowing the question and you are accusing me for a person who cares about money!!
    You know what just get an English tutor or a 10 years old child to explain you what the question is, because it seems you are as uncultured as a pig!!!
     

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