Explanation please...

Can someone explain to me why Gem runs for Felien are in super high demand???

 

cus everyone and their mother are going wild for the new sword that only dropped at Felien.

 

I thought it was just a better clarity rose.

 

you can find an answer in these following thread
https://toramonline.com/index.php?threads/felien-sword-vs-fc17-sword.45195/
https://toramonline.com/index.php?threads/how-good-is-proto-clarity-rose.45266/#post-464916

 

it is a better clarity rose. It's also a better sword than any current 1h sword.

It's also a limited item that will have advantage for a long time (I would expect a year).

People did tests on it and it outperformed the best player-made swords by a big margin.

The revival of the star-war cult.

 

Situational. Clarity only out DPSes venena crafts if the boss has high enough def. Until a certain def, venena crafts are still better.

 

at current max level 175, low def boss are not relevant anymore. You don't craft a 30m venena sword to kill don yeti. Almost everything now has insane high def. You can still use the proto sword for low level bosses and the killing time will not change much (nor at all) because maybe even it's 10% weaker, it still takes almost always the same amount of Shining Cross to kill.

Proto is the superior sword, people realized that, and they bought gem runs for it.

 

Agreed on the whole post, but pointing this out. How much does a proto sword cost? Let's assume you got yours in 2 glory runs which would be 5m x2 (current rates, yours is reasonably decent atk and non slotted) so 10m. Refine normal rates are 8m NS so 18m. So with adding prime and xtals it's already far beyond 30m sir

 

actually the glory runs gives you at least 2 rare drops, each of them worth at least 2.5m right now. (the dress is 2.5m, the xtal is 2.5m and the proto is 3.5m). You can sell those drops to cover the cost of getting your sword. I did the same and my proto swords costed me nothing now after selling all the drops. In fact, I made more money out of it than I spent because I was lucky.

so if you do gem runs, it is expected that the drops will cover the cost. BTW, 5m for a glory run is a bit expensive, right now the ulti run is only 6m.

Meanwhile, to buy a 250 atk venena sword, you should have to pay a hellish amount of spinas as well.

 

If you're smart enough you can resell that sword in time for more than 30m. And we never really went to a 250 atk sword. 250 is +251 and you'll have to sell your house to get that atk on proto sword even if you do get more profit out of it. And trust me I've seen people buy 6.5m glory so nothing is expensive enough

 

Correction, they're not relevant for you. Simply stating that a sword is superior because you have no use for it is kinda idiotic.

Using a proto sword to kill low def boss vs a venena craft still has a fair load ot difference if we talk about efficiency. If we dont consider how efficient you are being with your farm, I might as well go and use a short sword and say "I'm fine with my damage" even if it takes 1 year to kill boss colon.

Also, people buying gems isn't just because of the sword. You talk as if people don't buy gems on drops with pure trash stats. We all know most of the player base that's doing gem runs on felien is looking to stock either the xtal, arm, sword app or all of those. If not stock, making a quick buck off it, at least.

I understand it's your preference to use the sword instead of using a crafted one but it's not the same for everyone, people get both to switch according to situations. Just because you think 30m is too much for one of the situations, doesn't mean everyone else does that.

 

Ok call me idiot all you want. It's still a better sword. I don't have to prove it to you. It's the reason why gem run is high on demand right now.

People buy gem runs before, but not this expensive, i wonder why. You are welcome to keep using your old sword and tell yourself things that make you feel better. Not that it would affect anyone except your party.

In the time of changes, there will always be people who resist.

 

Proto Clarity is only good at bosses that have 200 or more def, it was calculated, a lot of bosses have less than that on normal modes, anything on hard mode+ it is definitely better IF it is 2s+S. @mayam pls gib math

 

Facts do not care about your changes and resistance. The most important stat on that sword is undoubtedly the Pierce. If you're against a low defense boss, then the Pierce has lower effect. I will call you an idiot and I'll do it a thousand times if you say that proto is better than empress even on extremely low defense bosses. Relevance with your cap has nothing to do with with the usability of the sword. There's bosses even at the top range where you extremely need the Pierce. There's also some where you dontd need the Pierce at all. Not all the people who farm only farm high defense bosses. Your personal preference does not directly apply on everyone else who's doing many different bosses for levelling/xtal etc

 

LOL do you seriously think I'm "resisting"? I'm just stating the fact that not everyone always just farms high def bosses like you might. I never said anything about Proto being a bad sword, it's the best in the situation it's needed. I'm just saying it's good to be open to options instead of being stuck up on one. If you can't afford an extra sword for low def bosses, you're more than welcome to use proto. No one gives a damn. It's just you stating proto as "the superior sword" even though it's outdpsed by a large margin by a venena craft on a low def boss is.... Not very wise? I don't mean to call you an idiot, it's just you're stuck up on proto.

 

Most xtals drop at higher chance in nm and uli modes, nm and ulti modes by default just beef up boss monster, proto clarity rose is usually a good can opener on those tough to open packages. Boss runs(specifically one with high def) will now be faster in general if you got this in the bag. With only a few days left, gemrun sellers is at a bliss before they hit the proverbal brick wall.

 

I ve seen people buy for more than that price, but it is still expensive because the return won't cover the cost.

A proto can get to 305 atk so 250 is literally nothing. The downside is stability, which we can somehow lessen a bit by using stability add gear instead of shaved ice hat (for the crit).

Reselling is not always a choice. When the new level cap raises, the new stat cap will raise and it will significantly reduce the price of your sword. And if a new craftable sword comes out, the old generation will be really hard to sell. I can pay the same amount to make my proto sword good for a year, and i don't need to sell it later because during that year i probably have earned enough spinas to get a new sword. 30m is not really a good investment for venena sword right now considering new content and level cap are close.

 

Idk man your reasoning is completely going stray and not at the topic at all. I clearly said "If you're smart enough" you'll sell your sword before level cap rises. As the level cap rises and new swords become available, proto will become lesser and lesser significant. Yes it has more atk and can reach 305 easily. But you'll have to be extremely lucky to get that even after spending hundreds of millions in gem runs (which aren't always profitable and subject to luck as well). The loss in stability can be covered by using stab add but you're also missing a lot of critical damage and atk% by player custom statting.

It still is a fact that pierce will more than make up for the cdmg and atk loss BUT pierce is not as significant on low defense bosses so venena sword wins in terms of pure DPS at low defense

 

Based on my observation, there is a high chance that this sword alone will change the economy in toram. I expect xtal prices may go down a bit in the following months due to this due to over supply(specially if those buyers are trying to recover some "investment" from proto clarity)

 

Yep, it's like having DT without DT. Perfect for high difficulty bosses. I'm actually impressed by them giving out a good sword after so long.

You do realize the additional stats you get from player crafted more than just make up for the approx 150 atk difference in the swords?

Reselling is always an option if you're quick about it, there's a pattern aso craft updates follow. If you can see that coming, reselling sword to get the same amount of Spina/more back isn't that hard.
And I doubt you'll need to replace proto even after a year, a sword with that much Pierce is highly unlikely to come up. What I don't understand is, what are you even arguing about? We all know about the situational advantage and disadvantages here, we all know what's going to win in what situation. What's the point of this argument? Just because I brought up that it's situational and not really a "Superior" sword? I really don't understand how that makes me "resist' the change or whatever. If anything, I love how they, for once, got a 1h sword that's actually useful.