This forum overreacts sometimes...

I'm not picking and choosing, I'm stating what I see. Look at the new quests thread. People seem to be complaining about the spina and exp equally.

When did I say anyone was crazy? I said people on the forums were blowing things out of proportion.

 

it's a way of continuing the air,the forum has been pretty quiet and boring.

sometime a bunch of weird useless arguments can be fun(?) it shows how we still cared about the game,even if our ideals wont get to asobimo in the end.

 

Omg that's what i thought earlier

 

That isn't Jbazt's final form

 

The MS quest wouldn't be a problem if there are ways for spina to disappear out of the market. But in reality, there's not enough ways of getting rid of spina. Not to mention they greatly lowered the prices to buy skill books in the library.

Also some players are dumb and don't even care (or know) if they could cause inflation, all they think is that they're getting rich.


And no, I haven't killed a single Metal Stinger for a really long time.

 

Welp, I farm the miniboss because I need the spani for Refining my gears and exp for my halb luk farmer.

 

I can see why people complain about how " broken" the stack Drunken Mistake quest, and how it ruins the economy, but what I can't understand is why people complain about the reward itself and not the fact the almost all players are farming nothing but metal slinger.

In my opinion even if everyone has 1b+ spina the economy will not change as long as the supply is stable and can satisfy the needs of players. One example is the so called "dead game" Iruna. IIRC False Grecia, which is a boss that can be easily farm cost around 300m+. And the sole reason for its ridiculous price is the fact that no one farms False Grecia because it is not important, until the day comes that it became essential as a material to craft a certain staff.

If I use this basis then I conclude that as long as a sufficient amount of player farm a certain item then the price will not go as high as the sky. But then majority are spina hungry. Cuz why not? I can sell spina for real maney, Idc about the rules! *Gets banned*

 

it will take quite some time before the market stabilizes again.

 

RIP RMT spina farmers from bots and mods. No customers when everyone have a source of spina. Definitely a very bad business outcome. plus this may pull RMT spina rate to wkwkwkw levels .

And come on gays we all knew toram very generous from the start. If they can give 4ava ticket, 1 vic gem, 20 sew tools, and 3 orbs everyday, why not easy spina that can help all player that will participate in that quest? And besides its only for a limited period i believed? But if players will use bots, cheats, bugs to speed up and exploit that quest, that'll be a problem and definitely reportable.

Report the bugs, cheats, anomalies we found out that made it abusable and exploitable. They've already released it, complaining in an unofficial forum will not reverse whats done. Getting angry at them is useless and you will just stress yourselves

 

Yep, toram goes from a bad stage.... To another bad stage.

 

One word: yes.

 

Prices are relative. Economy will be "ruined" for a while, that is the truth. You WILL lose some value to your spina since there will be an inflation. The more spina amount you have prior the update the more losses you get. BUT, this will hardly ruins the game, we will simply see higher digits on the item prices.

One thing to be noted, after the market stabilizes, we will have one benefit to the update, that is a fresh spina influx that is done by legit player-base instead of botters. Prior to the update, legit players even newbies hardly encouraged to farm these fresh spinas out of their natural source. Even at one point, the prices will go so high that the farming rate from the MS quest will be saturated and people will left the farm spot, the same way people left zokdtzda ruins skeleton farm to bots. But, that wont happen as the devs pulls a genius move to accompany the spina quest WITH the Exp quest. Meaning regardless of the saturation point of the spina farm rate, people WILL STILL farm it since exp is a more stable value to the game overall, till the end of the game people will still level their characters.

The next big benefit to the game , is that it encourages new players to have a mean to earn their first spina capital while also level up their character. Metal stinger is a low-tier miniboss that should be easy to be killed by new players that have been playing for a week or so. It will decrease the rate of early quitters since I admit, it is indeed hard for new players to catch up the stuff in-game when they are starting from zero. This quest is the missing link to a more synergical community.

Finally, bot users. As I've said we've been supplied mostly by bot users in zoktdta ruins to fill the gap of in game spina use in, for example, housings, skill tree purchases and other spina based system. Not much, but there is definitely need a way to resupply the lost spina in the market. I can for sure that all this time, we've been using dirty spinas from the bots to sustain the market. Yea there might be some from achievement reward but these bots supply in millions of spina tha should be way more than the achievement reward that also relies on the game getting new accounts to be made. What do we say to newbies to get their spina so far? Mostly minotaur farm, the anti-degradation farm. Bitter nuts, nightmare crystals, energy bottles, ori ores, are all bought with spina that is already circulated in the market. To kill this chain of bot supplier, the game need supplier that doesnt vioate the ToS, specifically, these newbies. Metal stinger being a miniboss also makes it more difficult for botters to make account, characters and to program them to farm the MS efficiently. The rate in which bots contributes to the spina supply should be lowered and at best, rendered to nothing.

Then there is the inflation rate and the cap of the prices once it stabiizes. Devs could at some extent, control it by introducing more spina sink in form of in-game features. This would also makes the game better overall, and improves the longevity of the game. Which is, I think what the baldy Tatsuya prioritisized instead of improving the game skill mechanics and bugs, especially after a huge blow of the server rollback back in march.


So to make it relevant to the original post, yes people overreacts, but I think outside of the forum, they tend to overreact even more since they dont use particular platform to get their infos and to give their thoughts to others. Props to Youtubers like Arewzo to somehow give guidance to your average toram players. In this forum we can go crazy or over the top about everything since we can complement each other's arguments with minimum amount of misinformation. We could reference each others easily compared to other platforms like chat group or youtube comment section.

 

its a short term bad stage imo. Going forward bots will be more manageable and newbies will thrive. This Spina/EXP farm is a great move as I see it. Its like to actually use gold to print money instead of wildly print money without gold bars equivalent. EXP is a more stable currency, in this analogy, is the gold bars, Spina is the paper, printed currency. I think(if they are as smart as i've inferred from this move) the devs have been plagued with bot case but doesnt have a way yet to encourage player base to farm fresh spina reliably and sustainably, since it will reach this saturation point when its not worth for players to farm it themselves. Attaching exp and the new, more efficient stackable quests will make it another variable to the spina circulation, making it a more stable and solid market.

After the bots problem managed, whats the next step in asobimo's pov? In a perfect world, asobi market will be the platform for these RMT dealers to gain their profits. If asobimo do a good job in their execution. This market will be a perfect economy model for an mmorpg, creating a market that ideally supports both developers economy and also players. Its a mutualism. So far game developers only do a one way profit and sales. They get their revenue, selling their game services and consumers only being consumers that only gets the game services. Even to the point of exploiting consumers physicologcally with the gacha system. If consumers can also be a producers, legally. It will create a healthier environment to the online game industry as a whole. Well, lets hope for the best. If it executed fairly well, Im hoping for the best for the next game asobimo released. I love asobimo's games since they dont blindly follow the bandwagon gacha game that come and go with the short term profit business scheme. The games has some extra and often visionary features and ideas, Im actually impressed that they push for this asobi market concept, even if it ends up as a failed experiment

 

Nice, someone who understands.
+1

 

This guy is smart as hell. The devs realize that the toram community, as much as we hate to admit runs extremely well BECAUSE of tuyuls and bots. Happy they put this quest in the game as an alternative

 

toram players: *legitimately worry about the game they love*
magadaguy: THESE PEOPLE ARE OVERREACTING!

 

My personal issue is, you can't outcompete bots. Usually, bosses are the only option for the players, but with bots using mods, they could farm up stupid amounts of materials, transfer it before they are banned in the update.plus, bosses become really boring after a little while. Most attack patterns are relatively simple, and you aren't reliant on your teammates(maybe aside from the tank). It basically is just a numbers game
While they are cracking down harder, it's too little too late, and I've been hearing the occasional crib from a maybe legit players.
They tried to create an MMORPG but made a social game with some combat instead.
And with me running into indo players literally everywhere, I feel very,VERY out of place.

 

Personally I'd refrain from sharing such info that I removed in the quoted post above.

If you cheat, take care when the devs. decide to ban all associated accounts on your IP address.

 

I've been arguing few more things with some people in amino(yes, amino of all the places) it turns out it might not be as simple as I've explained on my previous posts. In a perfect world, that's how it roughly works. But in the practice, this inflation might be collapsing the market till the point of no return before its reached what I was referring as the saturation point. Basically, he/she saying that the rate of spina farm and the inflation would exceed the capacity of market to supply the demand of items, making it seemingly an endless price raise with no cap, or at least the duration of this transition period would be too long.

Well, I might explain it more later but in short, there is a possibility of the exorbitant increase in price making high percentage of player base unable to to effective trade for a long period of time since the inflation rate is so high they might as well quit before the next step happens.

I do think it's still a bit of overreacting on his/her and my part since in toram, you could be self sufficient to a high degree without having to rely on trades, self sufficient players will help the market stabilize for a period of time until the supply of items can satisfy the demand, players still have a way to get items with intrinsic value such as consumables and gear statted items for personal use. We also have nice NPC/boss drop items that isn't too shabby to use.

 

Yes, you can't outcompete bots. But if the devs can manage these bots we can maintain legit players to keep farming it. Newbies are different from experienced players. They still have the early motivation boost that most new players have. That is assuming we will have sufficient rate of new players, otherwise, no other way than to rely on devs ability to surpress the mods/botters till they deemed its inefficient to exploit from, and would then make use of asobi market for their RMT, and that will only happen once it's so inefficient to mod/bot they might as well sell off legit spina at asobi market's rate. Yes they might still be using mods/bots and will get into a banning cycle, but at least the devs put a leash on them to some extent. Newbies and legit players alike being a direct competitor to these exploiters is still way better than the monopoly that has been going in the zoktdza ruins skeleton farm by the bot users