I'm back -> That tank enthusiast freak

Hey yo,

It's been a while since I last checked up on Toram, I'm gonna say at least more than a year, maybe less than two years. If anyone can get me back up to date on the going-on's of Toram, I'd appreciate it, and here are some questions if anyone can answer them:

- What's the max level now? Any new skill trees? Last I saw was samurai.
- Is there a new way to power level besides spamming nightmare crystals (that thing got so old and brain-numbing for me back then).
- Any new methods to tanking within the year? The last tank I made was a perma-50% motion speed tank that didn't need to attack enemies to keep aggro, I don't know if that has been bested yet by any new methods.
- How does endgame content look for Toram? Has anything changed since back then?
- How is the community in Toram game now, and in forum now?
- Anything else that's new?

 

Welcome back! The new max level is currently at 190

The newest skill trees are
Darkness
Magic Warrior
Dual Wield lvl 4 Skills
Minstrel
Dancer
Unarmed.

We also have a new leveling system that you should search on YouTube since it’s hard to explain.

We also have dancer tanks / 100% ailment reist Tanks

I can’t speak much about the forum or community tho

 

Can you explain minstrel, magic warrior, darkness, dancer and unarmed? I don't see them in the tree skills you can buy.

 

You can’t buy them at library.
You either have to pick them up out of a treasure chest around the map (which they added after your fight at volcano as an extra thing you can do).
Or off CB where people sell the books.

 

All of these are obtained via books, not library, u need to buy the books to obtain em :3
I think coryn.club can help u, check skill section.

 

1. 190
2. Dark Power (trash, sacrifices your own HP for little damage gain)/ Magic Warrior (trash, Weaken sucks now)/ Ministrel (one or two skills are useful for full supports)/ Dancer (trash, currently bugged)/ Barehanded (trash) are only available through books you either need to craft (and they require Xtals) or be super lucky by opening random chests at specific locations for their first level, and ONLY THEN will you be able to get the following levels at the library (they did add the ability to keep acquired trees on skill tree reset though, so there's that I suppose); Assassin (I won't say it's entirely trash, but it's not that good) is the only proper addition to the library.

You can now farm bosses and mini-bosses that are near your current level and use books to make it even faster. It's slightly better than the previous, but you'll still get bored rather quickly.

Nope.
For a while we had full MTL tanks with some Ailment Resistance gears. Was a solid tank build because it was able to nullify every single ailment besides Flinch from being hit by using Magic skills, so it made a lot of fights (ESPECIALLY arena style battles AKA boss fights where you can fall) a lot easier to manage... Until devs nerfed it: ailments with over 100% infliction rates ignore Ailment Resistance partially or completely and the new Sick ailment decreases your Ailment Resistance.
Probably not the exact words from @mayam but don't try Dancer skills for tanks; if you haven't guessed it, it's still not as good as Perfect Defense by a long shot.

It has! If you've liked wavespam, ailments and instakill moves, they put even more of those!

In game, let's see:
- First we had a "tuyul" invasion, but the devs turned a blind eye on it and only made it so that people had to clear chapter 1 to get Orb Shards from friends.
- Then, something called "rollback" happened: their servers went down for a few weeks, they had to restore an old backup and lots of people lost their items (this was extremely bad considering they had released an item called Proto Clarity Rose, a very broken 1H that lots of DWs use and abuse) and, although they had restored the items to some of them, they couldn't do it for everyone. At the same time, tuyuls moved out to JP servers, and ONLY THEN did the devs take action against it.
- A massive amount of people started to use mods, especially since there were a lot of free mods. Now, the code is obfuscated.
Forum, not much has happened, it's becoming more silent.

Oh yeah, we used mods to finally get some info we couldn't before. The result is sad and hilarious at the same time:

And yeah, if you can't see, REAAAAAALLY getting tired of this game, hence the dry tone and sarcasm.

 

The elegant poise skill from dancer skill is very useful for providing a 3 second invincibility for just 100 mp cost, especially useful for any rapid fire dangerous attacks and/or waves that keeps coming at you and is impossible to catch them all just by spamming p.def

 

Why uninstall if your tired of it ?

 

Yeah him and I cant wait to uninstall you can trust me on that. Just need to clear all the gem/pierce/giveaway and sell the acc, viola good riddance.
Gotta buy super seducer on steam with that account, it will still be a better game than this trash.

 

Well, because I kinda made a promise I would blow all my gems out before I do. And thus I am forced to wait until something comes out of this anniversary's last arena to decide whether they go to Megiston or that.
In the meantime, I apologize but you guys will have to bear our rants (and they're not unjustified if you ask me).

 

hey, why are you seems to hate this game so much?
any reason at all?

 

I don't want to retype the entire wall of text I did, but to keep it as short as possible:
We've been playing this game for a very long time and we've seen and experienced things that changed our outlook on the game, both directly and indirectly. This is more than a simple burnout: this is years of discoveries that has made us furious at the devs for how they do things.
In fact, the video I just posted above is quite sarcastic in tone. I hate quite a few other games (Dota 2 for its toxic community and KHUX for being... KHUX, to name a few), but NEVER have I gone so far as to make a video mocking their game mechanics except for this one game.
We both think a lot (if not all) of the game and the dev's actions is half-assed and with little forethought about balancing and good game design (and if you ever try to read their code on the previous version's APK, OH BOY is it worse).
I'm not saying that you can't enjoy this game, especially at the beginning because everything is new and shiny.
But simply denying all that the devs have done (or rather not done) up to this point and dismissing it as "human imperfection" simply means you're either new or the very incarnation of this meme:

 

-Bugs that are not fixed for months because suzukis priorities are events and collabs. Look at dancer skill bug that still hasnt been fixed and its been there since the skills have been released btw. That is not all there are countless smaller bugs like these:

Idk about you but when I play a game I expect absolute minimal bugs from it, even more so if the game is being commercialised.

-Game balance is at an all time low. Stats on the MAIN STATUS screen like DEF/MDEF/FLEE/HIT are absolute hogwash compared to invisible stats like physres/magres/evasion/critical. Again if the stats are so amazing compared to those visible ones make these visible AS WELL. I am absolutely tired of calculating all those stats myself contrary to popular belief. Games are supposed to be played for having fun not doing your math homework.

-They deliberately make some stats or skills so much worse than others just so new players can get trapped by them and are forced to buy reset books.

-Gameplay in general is boring garbage. Every event boss that this game works so hard on, bow users have an extreme advantage just for being long range users that are not stuck at one place for a long time. They can avoid all the cancer aoes that the boss spams around itself while keeping aggro low, mp high and damage high by prorating.
Even for main bosses it gets so extremely stale at times. Very few builds actually work effectively against recent bosses. They are "trying" to make other skills more effective by "balancing" weaker side skills yet still not doing a good job even at that.
I will leave a few pics below that will explain how.


--Suzuki has priorities set like this:
1.) Latest upcoming event
2.) Possible collab with a well known anime
3.) New avatars.
.
.
.
98.) Make balanced gameplay
99.) Bug fixes
100.) Make fun gameplay

All in all I just have found a plethora of good games recently that has opened my eyes and showed me that video games can be fun, engaging and even change your life if they are designed with hardwork and passion. This "game" however is devoid of any of that.

The real saving grace it has is its self advertisement as the mmorpg with "800 billion dress patterns". And yeah good for them if they wanna cash in on that. I, however do not play video games to play dress up or roleplay or even make a business simulator, I play games for their action gameplay and toram online is the worst in that aspect.

 

Would be hilarious if the poster actually cancelled their return to toeram now that they know how bad the game is.

I'm not discouraging.. I just can't help but think about it lol

 

Perfect, basically toram in a nut shell

 

toram mod is dead because of this right? i think you have give them props for this

 

Can you recommend some game(s) please for a change of pace from Toram?

 

That would be funny.

Though I do have to say all MMOs are broken in some way. Like WoW had broken mage back in the day, Ragnarok after the original devs left was waaay broken in classes (the worse balance ever), and a handful of other MMOs I have played with crazy funny bugs. I mean very broken.

It’s the nature of the beast I am afraid. Bugs don’t get reworked usually because the code is “correct” but has been changed somewhere else. And so tracking down why a feature is “broken” is quite hard and time consuming. Reason why when the servers crashed they said they didn’t know when they would be back up. They had to track down code and rework things until they work. Coding is logical until it’s not. Then you just throw things as at the coding until it works.

Sometimes a feature is made you think is awesome but the community thinks it sucks. Which is what I see in Torem. They are still running off the early alpha coding and features. When the devs try to update 5 year old code, that was core of the game, it’s probably very hard to do.

 

First off: You are replying to jerry yet I feel you are quoting all my points.

No all MMOs are NOT broken. There are certainly MMOs that can prove to have decent balance. Try out MMOs like dauntless or monster hunter world. A little bit of imbalance is necessary in every game to promote growth and improvement. However toram does not have a "little bit of imbalance" it has straight up unfair advantages to certain weapons you should know the difference between them.

As for your point on coding and bug fixes... Excuse me what nonsense are you talking about? Just because it is difficult to do doesnt mean it is excusable. Literally every thing that is well made is difficult does not mean people are excused when the quality is not up to standard.

I am 100% sure if suzuki's dev team completely stopped focusing on yearly events and for 3-4 months straight just hire more programmers and focus on fixing bugs and play testing with full dedication they would easily fix all of the issues with the game yet they wont since his priorities are set.

It is NOT hard to do, they are just apathatic, lazy and greedy. They dont care about hiring dedicated programmers even tho they earn way more money than any small developer out there. They can easily change 4 year old code too just like how they changed 4 year old aggro formula suddenly after it became popular due to youtubers talking about the so called "0 aggro trick"
I advise you to kindly stop being an asobimo apologist and face the facts coz it is not gonna help you in any way.
You dont just accept massive f ups like the recent rollback from a company that earns massive amount of money via microtransaction, learn to have some standards.

 

Excellent Dev ethics my friends. We don't know how our own code works, so tracking down a mishap is pretty difficult, and we would focus on avatars instead of finding/attempting to fix it.

And that's why testing exists. You do that BEFORE releasing and commercializing a game. You do not ask the people to pay money before getting your shit together.

again, that's why testing, case study exists. It's like YouTube rewind not featuring ANYTHING even a slightly bit controversial. You gonna defend that shit too when it's literally the most hated video worldwide on their own platform? It just tells how disconnected the Devs are to their own community and don't know what they want. And what makes you think running early alpha code is good when it's already been years and the codes are desperately crying and begging for update at this point?