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Discussion in 'Toram Online General Discussions' started by Caskadia, Jul 28, 2019.

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  1. mayam

    mayam Elite Member Elite Member Epic Member

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    You are in HA right? Ask exer to invite you to my line group if you have a line id. We talk about variety of good games. It is difficult to reply here without knowing your preference.

    Yeah sort of. But the problem is modders will figure out how to crack the apk eventually, yet the thing that still interested me and him about this game which is info mining will become impossible to do so forever so they killed our only interest in their game. I mean good for them, now no one will ever find concrete information on new skills and new mechanics and the community will go back to its primitive stage, cant really depend on the game explaining everything it does properly anyway.
     
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    I'm not him, but I can try to cite a few (dunno if he did that already in his off-topic thread).
    Mutual recommendations:
    Hollow Knight - Kickass Metroidvania that has quite a lot of care put into it, but don't expect it to handhold you
    Pokémon Mystery Dungeon games - We highly recommend Explorers of Sky

    His recommendations (from what I know and remember):
    Celeste - Super difficult pure platfomer with lots of room for self-improvement
    Prof. Layton
    (you'll have to ask him for the rest)

    My recommendations:
    Binding of Isaac - Fun but VERY UNFORGIVING roguelike; if you want the original, stay away from the Eternal Edition unless you don't mind regenerating bosses; if you want the remake AKA Rebirth, the DLCs' quality go downhill but we're currently waiting for Repentance, a fan-made DLC turned to official content due to sheer popularity
    Megaman Battle Network - Because I'm biased; give Starforce a go as well, but if you want to keep your sanity, STAY AWAY FROM BN4
    Metroid Prime Trilogy - Metroidvania IN 3D; if you have a Wii and some way to get the game, definitely give this one a go

    That's on the top of my head, might edit it with more suggestions.

    The big issue we have is this game is how much of this broken stuff is INTENTIONAL! Dragon Tooth is currently the best offensive skill in the game (Shining Cross is good, but needs a specific 1H to equal/surpass it) and Halberds are still getting buffed (even though these buffs are mostly irrelevant) while Knux is no more than subweapon fodder (and don't even try to justify it; I've tried them and they seemed effective, but when I got to the later bosses, the main niche of Knux skills was pretty much rendered moot), Perfect Defense is the best defensive skill and all their other attempts to dethrone it were mediocre AT BEST, difficulty in this game is basically an AoE spamfest with now-unblockable ailments on top and the difficulty settings inflate the boss stats to make most of our defensive stats irrelevant. The list goes on. We have a lot more issues with what they INTENTIONALLY do then what they UNINTENTIONALLY do.
    But since we're insisting on bugs, might as well. The major cause of bugs is that the code compiling (AKA it technically is correct as you said), but it doesn't exactly give the results you expected it to because of a mistake in said code. It can be difficult to track down but, unless you literally are calling in a new dev team to pick up the slack the previous one has left, you need to have a good knowledge of your own code, so it makes the search quite easier.
    However, have you seen how many bugs they managed to pile up? They've had MONTHS to track down a few bugs, but instead they focus on churning more content, causing more bugs. It eventually piles up and becomes this insurmountable wall of bad code.
    Lemme tell you: while we datamine, we don't have access to 100% of the code, so we have to work with what we can get, learn their code on the fly and attempt to interpret their stuff with online docs. They, however, not only have the skills and knowledge (well, supposedly), but they have the original code of BOTH the client and the server to compare, much better tools to debug their stuff and, most importantly, IT'S NOT A SINGULAR DEV OR TWO, BUT A WHOLE TEAM!
    I'm simply an amateur in coding, but even I and a few people at uni found it baffling (I even showed one of them the code; he was basically dumbfounded).
    It wasn't a bug; it was the server breaking down physically. That is due to faulty hardware, lack of maintenance, poor cooling system, overload and/or other factors that just make the component(s) not work. They mentioned it here under the "Chronology of the Connection Error": https://en.toram.jp/information/detail/?information_id=4247
    And, while you're at it, give it a good read. Server data breaks down, backup breaks down and even server log is corrupted. Sounds less like human imperfection and more like human negligence to me.
    Except it is logical. If there's a bug, there's a reason for said bug, and most of the time there's a solution to said bug if you think hard enough. Throwing solutions might work once or twice, but most of the time you need to put actual effort to solve a bug.
    Okay, that completely derailed from bugs and then went back.
    For the first point, that's what community feedback is for, but you can guess how that has been handled.
    For the second, I get that it's not always the same dev team, but the thing is that, if you're not familiar with someone else's code, don't try to be ambitious and add big features right off the bat until you do get a firm grip on things.

    Anyway, @Caskadia sorry for the sudden bluntness in your thread, but just warning you that the game hasn't changed that much (if anything, it has for the worse).
     
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    While that isn't exactly wrong, there is little people like about your favourite game company asobimo. Like mayam said earlier, get some standards. Play good games. Lots of recommendations here, I'll recommend hollow knight as well. Go for it, enjoy the gaming life AWAY FROM THIS SHT SHOW
     
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    This needs its own thread, i feel like i want to comment something too.
    Remebering rollback, it took them a month to get it to certain "ok" point and not until done properly. What are they doing actually?
     
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    Remember the popular anime Re:zero? Yeah the famous one? We did a Collab with them for you gaijins!
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    Sorry, I have been away for like over a year playing other games. I just came back recently myself. I didn’t realize the game had become so bad until it was explained to me by everyone. Which I am thankful for. I had hoped that they would have made better improvements with the overall code. Kind of makes me depressed how bad it’s gotten.
     
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    Toram isnt that bad. I enjoyed getting my mage from 157 to 190 in the few days i spent. Toram isnt as bad as what ppl make it to be even after knowing alot of its rubbish from the devs. Bad skills or bugs isnt enough to make me never want to play it again. I still find it more enjoyable than most other mmorpgs on the play store. Tho iruna hd>toram. If iruna hd is done right imo iruna hd would be the best mmorpg on the play store. Iruna is still good now just its graphics was from around 2008-2009
     
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    So you gonna give us a reason how exactly it is good or? Being better than other MMO in playstore is not a valid reason, its not that tough to do when the standard is so low for mobile games.
    Maybe you never play any game of a genre other than MMORPG but toram's gameplay being bad is a fact and it is not gonna change just coz it doesnt make you never want to play again.
     
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    I just enjoy toram more than most others ive played. Even mmorpgs like traha or black desert. I do agree that the standard is so low for mobile games. Torams gameplay being bad is definitely not a fact as there are thousands of ppl that genuinely do enjoy it. Maybe they havnt played another mmorpg or maybe theyve played tons but ppl do enjoy toram. I do play other genres tho i rarely mobile game these days, im not as fussy as some ppl when it comes to game mechanics etc. If i enjoy something i will play it. Tho to those that dnt enjoy toram idk why they play it. Like just uninstall and keep it that way. Toram isnt for everyone and i hope those ppl can find something better to invest their time into but for the ppl that enjoy toram gg to them. I wouldnt ever think ppl are wasting their time on something that they enjoy
     
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    Ppl enjoying it = Personal experiences.
    Personal experiences have nothing to do with facts. A lot of people enjoy gambling too doesnt mean gambling addiction is any less of a bad thing.

    So you mean you will play a game as broken as fallout 76? Being fussy about game mechanics and tolerating a bug filled game are 2 different things. Game mechanics being imbalanced is certainly not the only criticism this game has, if it were we would have tolerated it too. Expecting good quality video games =/= being fussy.

    We are gonna do that but before that we would like to spread some general awareness too.

    Again depends on what aspect of the game they enjoy. If they enjoy the dress up/roleplay aspect of it then good for them. Yet if they tell me they enjoy gambling real life money to get virtual costumes then no I am not going to believe that. Battling too if they think toram's battle system is enjoyable they definitely need to give some other games a try and find the game that they enjoy even more.
     
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    Sir you're the living example of this meme
     
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    U saying toram is bad is more of an opinion. Its not a fact like there are 31 days in this month on this year. Tho it doesnt really matter. If something has been made theres a chance someone in the world will like it. There are diffirent tastes in the world. U may not like Bethesda and the bugs they have in their games yet i personally enjoy some of them. Ive played a ton of the fallout series and the bugs can really have their fun moments. But its still just an opinion on whether its a bad or good game. Make a poll with multiple choice with diffirent aspects of what toram has to offer. Or just put bad game or good game. U will not get 100% bad game. Tho u have been playing toram since 2016 i believe. Why invest so much time into toram if it really is a bad game? It may be bad for u now and maybe u do regret investing time into it but u dnt make up the whole playerbase so spreading awareness that toram is bad is based on ur opinions and experience. Yes there may be others that think the same as u but why are they still here? Still on this forum? U dnt like toram. Thats cool and i respect ur opinion of the game. He likes toram thats also cool. The battle system isnt all that bad imo. Proration is weird yes and its 1 thing i havnt seen before playing toram. Reducing ailment res% i just treat that as a debuff which is cool too. I like seeing the many kinds of debuffs. If theres a stat to increase something why shouldnt there be something to reduce that?, not every boss will be able to reduce those stats and i enjoy seeing the variety of what these bosses have to offer. Oh that boss is anti melee? Cool we have long ranged physical skills too which ppl can use but choose not to

    But Sir im a burger so i needa get cooked!, toram might be stale for some ppl. It was for me too but that was because i used to play it alot. Now that i play it like once a week for a few hours i found to enjoy it again
     
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    Sir if that's not the exact definition of "personal opinion" idk what is. What would you consider a fact though? You liking it will be a universal fact, or would it be the millions of people hating on the game and posting negative reviews? Minority opinion is rarely considered in this world.
    >Looks at bug list
    No I don't think that's a quality of a good game with a dedicated Dev team. Let alone the gameplay, the amount of bugs and the duration it takes to fix them is huge and is illogical. You've played tons of games, correct? How many such other games have you played? Also, that's malpractice to try to capitalise on your own mistake. Want an example? They released the skills, and they were bugged or broken as fur. They declared so (albeit after 3months-1 year) and gave us free resets. But then they reworked them AGAIN and didn't give any resets this time. Also, are you not aware of just how many silent nerfs, reworks and changes they've made in the game without a notice at all? Your aggro working was completely changed. The MTL tank was super cool one day, and yet the next day it kept getting ailments. The bugs keep piling up and keeps getting longer with time. If that's not bad Dev ethics, then tell me what they are.
     
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    I would call a fact like theres 31 days in this month. A statement from some players who dnt seem to enjoy toram i wouldnt call a fact. I would never say there is a perfect game thats 100% free of bugs as that expectation is just insane imo. Mmorpgs do have their bugs. Its true toram devs do take awhile to actually fix the bugs and when they release more updates more bugs may appear but again that happens in alot of other games too. I dnt expect much from toram but im still able to enjoy it

    @Demonwar also fixed urs and mine double post. If theres any more feel free to let me know. Ty :)
     
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    Why is that insane? That's ideal code. Though I agree bugs happen, all the good Devs dedicate staff to take care of them as soon as possible. They do not just keep letting it be since they won't be getting as much money out of it. Dauntless is a f2p game, and I've played it since beta. It had a lot of bugs, but they were super active in fixing and they took player feedbacks seriously. r/dauntless has actual members of the Dev team which interact with the players, and consider the reports valuable and use it for improvements. And here in toram the Devs expect the players to even make the Ava's.
    More bugs appear* with every update. If it also happens in other games then I'll call them a bad game as well. You don't expect much from toram just goes on to say how highly you think of the game as well.
     
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    so, would you call a statement from players who enjoy toram a "FACT"?
    hmmmmmmmm?
     
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    Toram battle system is indeed bad compared to majority of the games no matter how you wanna mince it. This is not my opinion it is a fact. Am I disregarding its platform on mobile? Yes. Am I comparing it with pc games with better hardware supporting them? Yes. I specifically want to put toram up against every single action game out there not just the ones on mobile so yes it is definitely bad compared to a majority of them.

    Theres developers that put all their hardwork and passion to a game they want to create and make sure the end product is as perfect as possible. You saying that tells me that you accept mediocrity, bad game design and bugs in your video games, this lets amateur programmers like suzuki's dev team free reign to capitalise in this market.

    Maybe I havent made myself clear yet but I want people to stop doing microtransaction in toram more than just simply stop playing toram. Again its their money and their time so I cant be the judge of it tho I can express myself when an underrated game does not get nearly as much attention as it should.

    I think you are not reading my responses. I specifically said toram's battle system is bad not the cosplay/dressUp/business part of it.

    And how does that have any relation to what I am trying to say RIGHT NOW about the CURRENT situation of the game? The game changed, I changed, the people around me changed. This resulted in the change in my opinion, need to say more?

    I would also like a debuff that reduces the range of bow users from 10m to 3m. And no thats not too much to ask either. Theres power wave to increase the stat why isnt there a way to decrease it?! I also want a debuff that gives negative physical and magical pierce too, theres a way to increase it but no way to decrease it?

    Explain what long range skill katana has? Pulse blade? Also what about ampr, proration and other stuff? Power wave? Bow users dont need to do that tho so... It is still not fair.
    Also not every boss is gonna do that? .... Does that mean its ok to put it on event bosses that most people wanna farm a lot? Is it ok to give bow that big advantage there?

    You are making no sense you are just cherry picking our points. I can put up 100s of more such issues.

    Nope. It is not insane whatsoever. Good games do exist which are polished in every way possible. Maybe such games dont exist in MMORPGs specifically tho I dont really play MMO anymore so I wouldnt know. MMO vs singleplayer games is an entire different discussion for another day lets stick to toram for now.
     
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    Its insane because humans arnt robots. Mistakes happen. Bugs appear. Ive played Dauntless abit tho im not too keen on it. Same with monster hunter. Some dev teams are better than others. And bad devs can turn it around (looking at u hello games). I just dnt expect much from any mobile game or console games too. I dnt really believe in hype with something new because untill its out and ive experienced it for myself that hype might end in a disaster. I dnt think toram is even 50% finished being a full game so i set my expectations low back in alpha
     
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    Just read this.
    That is the most stupid arguement I have ever seen lmao. I am done
    I bet you disregarded every single negative review on video games. You would unironically enjoy a game like "bubsy 3d" so I dont have much to say to you anymore.
     
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