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Tanks complaining because Venena touches them with her balls

Discussion in 'Toram Online General Discussions' started by Komibii, Oct 28, 2019.

  1. RokuMLG

    RokuMLG Well-Known Member

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    Me: mage tank, impact. Balls? Mass kill?
    Well for those tank doesn't use impact, it's a huge lost for such a good group interruption skill, even if it's 22 sp.
    Perhaps a group flinch skill would be nice for other tank. But that's too OP
     
  2. Ruten

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    I think it's ok to have bs tank, that has it's own weak points, but if you play this way - why blame party? If you playing weak char, don't expect much from it (just imo). I have tank main char and use number of tools available for different situations: Binding for mobs spam, impact for mass tumble etc. It's just about how you use your abilities in different situations. When i was talking venena at knux bs, i had neither impact nor binding, but i just used decoy and stun at every incoming ball, and it was Ok (show me tank that has no stun and decoy, hah). Just be more flexible with "your own" build, and adapt it~
     
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    I think because it cannot crit and has multiple separate hit unlike buster which is 1 calculation divided by 3 hit. It's also good against golden potum. I find this because of my bs tank which has skill points problem while on cap 180.
     
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    It's a pt of 3 dps and 1 tank after all, so why not? It's not that hard for one of the dps to spare a few secs to help out their busy tank mate, right? (^・ω・^ )
     
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    idk why the title sound wrong to me xD
     
  6. Zufeng

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    Well, tanks are supposed to be a maso anyway
     
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  7. UfuLamb

    UfuLamb Well-Known Member

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    I reset and added impact for my tank to do venena...

    i find fire ele skills deal decent dmg to the balls too, like trigger
     
  8. Komibii

    Komibii [TITLE] Elite Member

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    Hmm, yeah, I kinda forgot about smith tanks. If I made a smith tank though, I would probably still get impact because that's just me.
    I guess people don't generally expect a tank to need help from dps builds with their survival. I suppose I could start helping tanks kill the balls at Venena, but some tanks are kinda rude about it.
    It doesn't really take much talent to make a strong character, just grinding. I can imagine that these people might be bad at other games because those games require some skill.
    Haha, the title was just me being immature. I still think it's funny.
     
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  9. Bomi

    Bomi Well-Known Member

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    I usually just ask members to kill orbs when they can, I never have trouble after that. I'm still learning how to tank! I personally don't have impact because I wanted to prioritize other needed tank skills and I don't think we should judge if tank should have impact or not because it depends on the person's choice of build. I've looked through multiple tank builds as reference when trying to make a tank myself and I noticed that quite a few don't have impact.

    I don't think there's anything wrong with dps helping tanks as Toram are finding ways to make it difficult for tanks to solo (Especially with Usasama the necromancer and those dam ghosts!)
     
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    If u are knux tank, u can use shell break to kill ball.
     
  11. ThunderEmperor

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    BGTank here and have Impact^^
     
  12. OriginLa

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    i use pcr when tanking venena, those balls just died when got into range of my Nature Wonderers. plus tanking Venena is a lazy one hahaha
     
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    Venena is probably one of the easiest boss to tank. I can watch TV and tank Venena up to NM. I have to focus on Ulti though.
     
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  14. ishayel

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    The fact is, this is a role of dps to kill annoying and dangerous boss minions ( or any monsters dangerous for team , even if not boss himself ).
    You can't blame a tank for not doing dps, since toy hammer is crap. Hope they put a weapon to make tank at least able to kill normal monsters.
    Unfortunately, rank rewards kill team play, as some action don't give rank reward but are still usefull for team.

    Dps role is not only :
    1. Burst the boss @ss
    2. Check our aggro to not tank, better other teammates die.

    Dps role is :
    1. Dps and kill any threads for other dps, tank and support
    2. Kick the boss big @
    3. Check team to see if all ok ( kill those annoying normal monsters that would flinch mage if easy for me, or that would kill tank, etc , revive a teammate if needed ( easier for dps do it than the tank, because tank travel with the boss and all monsters team aggro ... )
    4. Punch boss face if any other target usefull for teamplay
     
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  15. Komibii

    Komibii [TITLE] Elite Member

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    Haha, I usually tank Venena's 2nd phase if there's no tank around since my builds tend to generate a lot of aggro. I've only done ulti with my semi tank, so I don't know if that would go well at all for my full dps builds or not.
    The thing is that you don't need a high dps, or a good dps at all to one-shot the balls if you have impact. It isn't about the tanks running around and killing the balls, the balls go towards the tank, it's just about the tank using an AoE skill so they don't need their party members to help them.
     
  16. DRAGNiLL

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    Well op pro tanks actually don't like to use impact because it's totally a waste of skill points ... But at venena ultimate mode if dps aren't strong enoug to kill the boss fast enough or takes too long then the full party will be wiped out eventually after the tank is dead so ... To make thing balanced it's better to help each other and enjoy the leveling/farming XD
     
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    Shield cannon could actually kill those balls in one hit, it also got 20m range, but I did get caught up a few times and got surrounded by the balls, thrown the shield like crazy and kill them one by one
     
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  18. UfuLamb

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    Yes! flexible chars is the way to go! I also like flexible chars than can fit in any situation.
     
  19. ishayel

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    A lot of skills one shoot them or kill fast like javelot, binding strike ( aoe, need 2 but stop them and help you save aggro of the 2 pillars as well ), etc
     
  20. Noieverre

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    I don't have impact in my tank and i don't have problem with balls though, the tank that doesnt have impact and blames other are just lazy bastard, there are only 2 balls appear each summon and it's easy to kill it with just decoy
     

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