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Discussion in 'Toram Online Player Feedback / Review' started by 《《MiLo》》, Dec 31, 2019.

  1. Isra

    Isra Cock and Ball Torture Elite Member

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    Never said it was, please say where I said it was.
    Then thats gross of them. This isn't one of those threads, don't confuse it as such Karen
    Idk man, Global and all 3 International channels use English. Maybe it ain't, but the fact that the majority of Worlds that are use for bridging language barriers use English. Almost seems as if the primary audience of Toram has some understanding of... Y'know... English

     
  2. kariin

    kariin Patience is a Virtue Staff Member MODERATOR Super Likable Elite Member Wiki Contributor Epic Member

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    everytime i'm on english server, i get people speaking to me in spanish. Why is it that only indonesians gets called out?
     
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    Okay okay. That's about enough. We don't want a fight to break out here.

    First, assuming everyone should be able to speak English is wrong, as so is assuming other players are Indonesians.
    Second, talking crap about others in a language they don't understand is rude. It makes most people uncomfortable. Not everyone is dense or doesn't care.
    Third, the main reason Indonesians gets hated is because the immature ones are everywhere. With them around, a random good Indonesian guy gets blamed too. You can say the same to other races- say like a Spanish dude or a noodle guy. I appreciate others tho, who tries to make a bridge between me and other party members and act like a translator- they're like good tanks who are hard to find :v
     
  4. Isra

    Isra Cock and Ball Torture Elite Member

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    Acknowledged but I still wanna fight headstrong because I'm that type of guy.
    More indos than aribas. That was a racist joke, feel free to call me racist now
     
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    ever since the opening of the indonesian server, the game is fully translated to indo.

    if there was a server for germany/austria/switzerland and the game would be translated to german, you probably would see the same result.
    in my country, many english apps and games have some bad ratings because the app is only available in english or people are talking english in the chat.
    idiots are everywhere, it's just that toram doesn't have a german server and the population of indonesia is greater, so you see them more often.

    imagine how americans would behave in-game if the international language was not english.
     
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    Yunan Not Enough Salt Elite Member

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    Its a Japanese game made by a japanese developer, yall should learn Japanese instead!

    Jokes aside, the point of a language is to get things accross to others. As long as its understood, it should pose no problem. I get it that english is an international language thats learnt by most people, but thats not to say its the default language of the game.

    The international server is, as it says, an international one. Everyone should be allowed to speak their own language. If you want to justify a strict use of english, there is a reason that English server exist. The argument in which there is Indonesian server, hence Indonesian should be spoken there can also be used for english speaking players.

    The problem isnt about the use of which language, its more about the attitude of each individuals. Yes, those guys that kicks others based on nationality and language used are bad, same case with talking behind the back of others.

    So no, in toram, English is NOT the official language of the international server. Bahasa Indonesia being used frequently is just the product of the demographic. I mean, asobimo even goes to the lengths of giving indonesian translation for their infos on the livestreams. The most important thing is to have respect.
     
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    THIS!!!!
     
  8. Xiavu

    Xiavu Lurking Overlord of LOVE[L.O.L.] Elite Member Epic Member

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    Hence we get the mood message to identify the language used by player.(tho i haven't seen one with Language: L33T on top of their heads yet.) The app's language is always reliant to the demographic since that is the language used in that area to appeal more to the consumers. It is always tailor made to appease that large demographic. Only problem about that is the english speaking community is easily infiltrated by other speakers due to phone settings unlike us gaijins, it is hard to adapt to japanese server due to language barrier.
     
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    It's an international server not English server get over it
     
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    For Indonesian server. Not international, Global and English (where a plurality of non-english speakers are are for.. whatever reason)
    Population of people with the ability to use some degree of English > Indonesians. Screw them, right
    Most of us won't talk. Only weebs don't have the respect to shut the hell up when they're clueless on language. The level of entitlement it takes to decide "I demand they should speak my language" is appalling. Hey, wait I know a certain group of people that do that...
    With all functions in English. This point is bunk, sorry
    You joke but this is the most coherent argument I've heard
    This is a lot to unpack:
    1. It is an international channel. Most times you speak on an international scale you use English unless you are appealing to a very certain demographic of people.
    2. Yes, everyone should use their native language... When someone can understand. I'm not gonna go to Texas and start speaking French, unless the person I'm talking to can speak French. As said, if someone says they cant speak English, which honestly everyone who can't speak a language should learn (I cant speak [language]), then the language situation becomes non-existent
    3. I've been told speak Indo on English server
    4. How many English Speakers are on Indonesian Channel. Vice Versa. You'll see a disparity, thus where issues arise. Everyone is on English channel telling them to use their native tongue when everyone on English channel would have to have known English to a degree to even be there. Counter to this is why do people have a JP account: It's 9/10 not to play but it's because stuff is cheaper and if not they're generally weebs. Weebs aren't good, that's a disrespectful term
    It's used in a majority of game texts in Global and in International. Easy to make the assumption that the game defaults to English since, as you said, it's the international language.
    Everything about this is right, I'm sure everyone agrees to it. Nothing wrong here, lets keep going
    I will still hold my opinion due to the game having more general translations in Global and International in English.
    And I honestly mean no disrespect unless its to Pink Lady. Screw her
    Bruh no one uses those
    They can figure out how to fix it, wouldn't they? It's a proactive attempt to go into English, since going into settings>language and input>set language ain't that hard. I don't like them coming into the English server and telling me to use whatever language they speak (because no it's not just Indonesians), but I don't think they're inable to change language settings
     
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    English is the international language. In global games we use English to communicate even in south east asian server.
     
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    Unless they can fuse google voice recognition sofware+ google translate and toram we are left to our devices to figure out the language barrier problem.
     
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    While I don't play the game and have minimal knowledge on it, I can at least get the gist of what's going on in this thread.

    Yes not everyone is English, and people are free to speak whatever language they know whenever. If people are speaking Indonesian, Spanish, etc; you can't truly blame them, especially if they don't truly know the desired language to be heard. If otherwise; hey, what can you really do? Nothing.

    I understand there are servers set for different languages and so forth; but let's be honest... It's not gonna resolve or organize anything, as there's always going to be different people in different servers. It's definitely annoying at certain times, especially when you see a text chat (in any game for that matter) spammed with languages and different symbols one can't comprehend. That can go for anyone anywhere in the world, whether they be English, Spanish, Japanese, etc. (Little fun fact: For those not the slightest bit familiar with English, it is actually one of the most difficult languages for a non-native to understand.)

    I'm neutral on the matter truly. I can understand the points being made in both sides of the debate and it frustrates me to see both ends not see one another's point. Let's not start the new year, new decade this way now. Perhaps I've missed something, but I hope I've at least made my view on this matter clear!
     
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    So do I. The game default language isn't English, as you can freely use other language setting on every server. I will assume that Japanese is the default language due to the developers being Japanese and everything is translated off of it. The game being translated better into English is just due to the availability of human resource that could speak English. I'm an Indonesian and I use english for the setting simply because the Indonesian translation wasnt at an adequate level for my comfort compared to the English translation.

    I advocate the use of English for general use on international server because as you said, English IS the international language for general mass, but thats not to say that the actual demographic of toram are able to speak English more so than indonesian, because the game clearly have shit tons of Indonesians(that unable to or prefer Indo to English). Its also worth mentioning that most of them can't or dont have adequate level of English, its also supported by the fact that asobimo gives indonesian translation on their livestreams infos(and not for others like Korean). They must know well that indos cant speak english for the most of the population. So even if at the end, English speakers have more population compared to Indo, I dont think it will be in a huge margin compared to Indo-only speakers.

    I also experienced first hand on how the level of english literacy in Indonesia were so low. Most of my university classmates and colleagues can't use English fluently until like the last 2 semesters for them to write their thesis after some arduous English classes. While it might be better now for the generation that born past the 90s, English penetration in education is still lacking. Its not like Philippines where english is basically their 2nd official language, a lot of Indonesians dont even consider english as 2nd language and a lot of people prefers to speak in local language, ever more so than Indonesian itself.
     
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    I've had the same issue, I just kick them and sometimes block because sometimes they try to whisper me something in their language nonstop.
     
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    The best is when they come to the English Channel and speak Indo...yeah, stop that and I’m going to tell you that every time.
     
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    like "cyka blyat"? :kappa::kappa:
     

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