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Discussion in 'Toram Online General Discussions' started by Sly*Cooper, May 14, 2020.

  1. SirDex

    SirDex Well-Known Member

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    This game can be frustrating I know how you feel, but if I were you I would find another way to get what you want because I can tell you drop rates especially xtals are bad for almost everyone in this game.
    If you really wanted a specific mini boss xtal then find another way to make spina and then buy it, you'll save a lot of time.
    But if it's a weapon drop or add gear that isn't tradable then you needa just keep trying.
    I have been farming and killing super death mushroom for probably close to three years now and still never got that damn md. But I don't let it get me salty and hopeless, it's just how it is.
    But yeah maybe go into more detail about your build, equips and combos because your damage shouldn't be so useless, you said you can solo mini bosses so seems you're doing fine.

    Also depending on one build in toram isn't the best idea, well if you committed to that build and can make it work in any scenario then you can I guess.
    But maybe you could try make a bow character, you don't need the most expensive equips to deal big damage and it's perfect for farming mini bosses mass kill and alone with mercs.
     
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  2. Red_Fox

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    MD sub = -15% atk
    (-5% with Magic Warrior Mastery)
     
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  3. Sly*Cooper

    Sly*Cooper Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I realized that so I kinda use it off and on now

    Wow 3 years that's crazy. I replied to the other guy what my gears and stiff are so you'll be able to see from that reply.
     
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  4. Phoenix。

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    Oh then your problem becomes clear very quickly. As cool as 1h+MD/Dagger is its damage is very low on the ladder. Heavy armor takes a lot of ASPD from you which will decrease your MP recovery and ability to spam skills by a lot. I never actually put my theorycrafted 1h+MD build into practice but it would have had about 3.2k Atk (so 1000 difference to yours). Maybe some general tips in case you don't do that yet:
    - trigger slash > decoy (save) > finale (smite) to cast your decoy fast and enhances your ability to replace it
    - main damage combo: impact > meteor (smite) > finale (smite) 500 MP, do around 2 auto attacks in between. In combination with decoy that should suffice for MP recovery
    - try to use enchanted blade once every 30sec for the 10% damage buff
     
  5. Sly*Cooper

    Sly*Cooper Well-Known Member

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    Theres what I have exactly. So why is all that not working.

    Ok I'll remember that. I uploaded pics exactly of what I have

    Oh well thanks guys for letting me know what affects damage. That at least shows me why after over a year I still dont get it. Something about this game keeps me trying even tho it's all be in vain now. Anyway thanks again guys
     
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  6. Xiavu

    Xiavu Lurking Overlord of LOVE[L.O.L.] Elite Member Epic Member

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    Well change is the only thing that is constant here in toram. New stuff always pop up around the corner and meta of your weapon flip like pancakes in every update, every 3 months is a new learning curve(or a learning start if you are a newcomer) dont be afraid to make mistakes and learn there is always a slot for making a new start(it is advisable to never delete your highest level char for skill availability in the library) afterall, if you put effort and a little bit of luck together, everything is possible and everything is reachable here in toram(altho, looking gud and getting gud is two different things here lol)

    Lol! Never compare your gear with flex vids. Since most of them are a league of their own. (Since most of them got 2 slots that have xtals that will give you a heart attack just for the price tag)
     
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  7. Sly*Cooper

    Sly*Cooper Well-Known Member

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    Alright I'm just gonna get my money back and figure out what to do later. This whole back and forth with equips is pissing me off
     
  8. SirDex

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    If you are eating level 8 crit food then you could change your add gear to bear hat which gives 15 crit rate and gives an extra 5% attack or change to shaved iced and get 2% cdmg and 20 crit rate.
    That add gear you use now gives 22 crit rate and has no slot,
    Bear hat and shaved ice hat with one slot are really affordable, and at least you can put in a +5 crit rate crysta if you need more crit rate or another metal stinger, or an xtal like mercy that has +15 cr and is affordable too.
    Also metal stingers enhancer lyark master specialist is cheapish too, I think about 350k last time I checked.
    For your ring you can use machina ring which gives two slots and 300mp and is also really affordable and rn xtals like venena and amalgam are cheap to put in those slots.
    That dagger you using has -10% stability which is quite a big stab penalty, so maybe replace it with fallen Angel dagger from bubble bogey or lil empress dagger from venena, lil empress dagger gives 10 crit rate, so it's a really good dagger if you need more crit rate.

    Your equipment depends on how much time and effort you willing to put into this game.
    For instance this dye event that just ended, all the equipment I mentioned above could have easily been acquired if I farmed a few black dyes for about an hour and sold them.

    Anyway best ot luck to you.
     
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    Sly*Cooper Well-Known Member

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    Yeah the only thing that has worked out for me just happened and I even told the party I'm gonna die in one hit but I'll try to keep you guys alive as much as I can. But they really wanted those gems I guess and I got a lot of xtals that helped me get lots of spina so I dunno maybe I'll just give up trying and see if things just work out. Story of my life anyway

    Ok thanks I appreciate it
     
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  10. RyeUshio

    RyeUshio The Blue Bull Super Likable Elite Member Epic Member

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    Assuming you got 5 good food buffs, so you're prolly competing with players on 2s gears with good xtals, thus the elusive attacker rank.

    I like your playstyle, why haven't we partied yet?

    ^_^
     
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    i see you got a lot of critical rate%.
    this only multiplies the base critical rate, which is 25 without CRT personal stat.
    flat critical rate is more effective for you.
    for critical damage, it's the opposite. you'll get more from the %. (because you increased the base with STR)
     
  12. Sly*Cooper

    Sly*Cooper Well-Known Member

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    Man see I dont understand how people seem to figure that out cuz the game doesnt tell me all that.

    One more thing to ask guys and I'll stop. Would it be a waste of time to only be a support character and nothing else like is there a good demand for a support in the playerbase
     
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  13. Xiavu

    Xiavu Lurking Overlord of LOVE[L.O.L.] Elite Member Epic Member

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    These are the hidden stats and hidden math. All geeks here are having brain gasms figuring that out and it is the core point of this forums tbh(sadly im no math geek and i try my best in layman's perspective to understand and explain stuff here in toram. Like how i compare proration damage system to an S&M spank fest with 3 tools of joy)
    It depend on your taste. Late game bosses tend to be comparable to SuzukiP's brain, with crazy mechanics, insane aoe and immunities in every new boss. Everyone who challenge ulti mode will be homo(coz "dyeing is gei" is another flex mantra here lol) toxic players do exist mind you just like every other game so fill your friend list with sensible people and hope that they are active like you. Chill and challenge yourself in getting gud, dont focus on just crapping out long digit numbers.

    With stress and crappy irl schedules i usually get left behind and content on trying my luck on randoms which is an adventure itself. Even my guildmates refer me as a hermit player most of times.
     
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    Not really a waste of time, though I wouldn't suggest to do a hardcore support character.

    A party consist of 4 dps, that can tank and support simultaneously is much more ideal in a fight, versus a party, consist of 1 tank, 1 support and 2 dps.

    You will also have a hard time progressing on your solo grind if you're using pure support which is also comparable to non damage tank.

    My suggestion is to improve the dps capabilities of your build, then also pickup support skills that can be beneficial to you and the party.

    ^_^
     
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    I don‘t really know your exact budget but you can‘t do much wrong with this set up (I will limit it to 1s or cheap 2s equipment):
    Weapon: Yours is fine, just try to find a piercer (should be less than a million) and put Mardula if possible in there. If you can‘t afford Mardula use the previous version Imitator
    Armor (light remodeled): Atk%, Crit, Cdmg%, Cdmg with Sapphire Roga/Ornlarf/Iconos/Mimesia (depending on your budget) if you want to go for some HP. Don‘t hesitate to get an adventure garb, the defense stat in this game is practically useless
    Additional: Bear Hat with Baphomela/Tuscog/York again depending on your budget
    Special: Machina Ring Tuscog/Amalgam+Venena/Seele (depending if you need crit or MP, if you need both you can leave Tuscog/Amalgam out)

    Amalgam and Mimesia are very cheap right now, because they are drops from the current event.

    Also: food buffs. They make an incredible difference. Try to get some friends with high level food or join a big guild. Try to get at least the following food buffs (the values are for Lv. 8):
    HP +3800
    MP +720
    Crit +22
    AMPR +22
     
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    Ok that makes sense thanks

    Ok that's a lot I only got like 4mil left

    So that'll explain why those guys were also supporting me as well as taking care of that boss even though I was also supporting as much as I could.

    Ok so I was just at cb and the adv grabs 2 slots are affordable but they have stats that I'm not sure if would be bad for me. The cheapest ones have int stats or crit damage but I'd rather not pay if those stats will be bad for me. also if buy those upgrade xtals can I put them on without having the other one its upgraded from? Those are affordable too so I just wanna make sure before I buy.

    Ok I got most now of what you suggested but I made the mistake of buy mardula first 1st before imitator cuz I didnt know but I put imitator on one slot and got adv garb 2 slots but cant afford xtal yet. But I got vanena but i need to ask is the machina ring more important than putting it on my proof of victory to save me almost 300k? Also is the mardula stat increase from imitator worth it for now or should i get some money back for some of the other xtals i need. I'm almost out of spina so I wanna get what's most important now and work for the rest later.
     
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    U.u listen carefully honey you can't solo S. Roga nm in 1min if playing solo because it's not for solo, it's suppose to be for a full pt ... so don't push yourself self too hard, just farm bosses you can farm and give it your all that would be enough, and just be active and use your time wisely so that you can earn lot of spina , spina will only make you strong because , you will have to get to the ranks eventually.... and there are lot of player's who are already 100x better/stronger then you , so just accept the reality and keep continue forward ^-^
     
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    Your first priority should be to fill every slot with an xtal. You can do the upgrades over time. Hmh the 300 MP from Machina Ring help a lot. Your endgoal should be to have at least 1500 MP.
     
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    So refining armour is useless for dps chars?
     
  20. Xiavu

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    As the saying goes, a ded dps is zero dps.
     

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