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Just a random BS that is needed to be shared from the super hyped GI

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by The Lost One, Oct 11, 2020.

  1. The Brahmnic Boy

    The Brahmnic Boy Well-Known Member

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    Regarding classes, please don't say that DW isn't popular or it died.

    As a Knuckle Main it hurts mah soul. We know that pain more than anyone.:(:(
     
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  2. HoboOnline

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    Wait, one, second. images - 2020-10-13T080950.818.jpeg


    Toram isn't greedy? You can literally get any item in game, if you just invest time. It isn't even much time in most cases and sometimes a bit of luck.

    The player base took advantage of the free shards/200 free orbs, and probably did more harm than bot farmers. But all in all, Toram is probably the best example of how to balance F2P with micro transactions.

    The only thing that has annoyed me, apart from a small minority of bots/toxic players/furries...is the development seems rushed now and again, I would prefer if the updates were slower, with higher quality maps again, that are larger.

    GI is just a rip off of Zelda, literally. You can spend $90-70 on a copy, and get more content than you'd ever see in GI, and without the poor programming.

    GI will just fade away, it's just a cash grab.
     
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  3. HoboOnline

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    DW was OP. The 4T updates originally were overpowered, for a class that already have invincibility and insane AMPR.

    And before you sulk, try playing any other class like Knuckles or 1h+dagger for 5 years. Holy, there have been inconsistencies, but no other weapon tree has been glorified more so than DW, exclusive skills and OP skill for solo players. There was a point in the game, if you didn't have a DW dps or a mage, you'd be kicked from the party.

    And after a balance, which was minor. DW players toss their toys out of the cot, because they can't 70%-90% the attack rank anymore? Like, anyone could have seen a nerf coming. The game isn't fun if everything can solo a boss without effort. Imagine seeing a boss drop in 2 seconds, cause 3 players are spamming SC, where is the challenge there?
     
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    The reason they hard lock the game at the higher levels, is so that when you're 'invested' in your characters, they hope you'll start spending money to enjoy the experience you became use too.

    Reality is, the game is trying to profit off ripping off Zelda.
     
  5. Lynxia

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    Bro please read my other comments i clearly explain i why i believe Toram is greedy. This i my opinion and i list a few reasons why i believe they are.

    Yes Genshin impact looks similar to breath of the wind but the feel of the playing style is a bit different. It doesn't seem like you really read any of my previous comments or even played Genshin Impact..... Im now like Adventure rank 35 with four of my character main being level 60 with level 60 weapons and maxed out artifact and i haven't spent a single dime. Genshin is very new, it was literally released about 1-2 weeks ago. It is new so they are not going to have much content until its have been out for a while. This game really has potential.
     
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  6. Fornjotr

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    Apparently, Genshin Impact had the same feature in the CBT and OBT, therefore miHoYo had certainly received feedback about it (especially regarding resin and gacha rates), but it was neglected. I wouldn't be too surprised if they ultimately don't owing to their past behavior, however I do hope to be wrong.
     
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    The excitement wont last long, its same feeling when you play toram for the first time. People are often like that. Its pretty norms. Once they find another new game, they will start to leave and give them a try. They will use every excuses on what they can think of to convince themselves "its time to leave" >_<

    Until now, people still try to suggest creating bs char in order to make spina but its not very efficient for newbie because they will need to level up the bs char. Its more easy to make spina from selling event app (armor/addgear)

    For example, bunny beanie at 400k right now. But the newbie also need to spend orbs to buy storage space for long term spina planning.

    Regrading "devs being greedy", i dont think so because in my experience there's a lot of people who never spent on purchasing orbs and their performance (character's performance) are more better than me. For example, drop rate for rare item especially on mobs farming/miniboss farming. Somehow they often get more rare materials than me even though i have 30 days tickets subscriptions . I did report the problem but it still happened after few months (in random).
    * Note i m really unlucky when comes to gacha.
     
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  8. Xiavu

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    Prob with genshin is, it is overhyped beyond imagination, beyond content and development. This is basically a taste test and it is being gobbled up beyond proportions. Guess them bland seasonal toram event makes perfect sense. Otherwise the whole toram will be over. Story arcs in toram last almost a year before a new chapter opens.
    Kinda nostagalic, way back in first year of pure bleak grinds to the first haloween event(just a gathering task, no story whatsoever).
     
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  9. Lost Love

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    I came here just today off a two, almost three, year hiatus from Genshin Impact. The game has so much going for it, but god does it become a complete chore after AR 30 that tries to gate players 50 different ways into spending money to grind. The botting plague aside, in retrospect I appreciate how Asobimo doesn’t force all these pay-to-win mechanisms that other free games of its type does... it feels like an elegantly designed trap sometimes x.x

    the Late-game grinding is a lot more enjoyable in toram than it is in GI which is killing me to search for common chests and wait for my resin which I need to grind literally anything else for 3 min every few hours

    there’s a lot that Genshin Impact does beautifully of course, but I just wanted to return some love for ok’ Toram as the former is blowing up :)
     
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    Enjoy grinding resin to progress in the late game. Because that's literally the game at that point. Spend money or slowly progress in a complete rip off of Breath of the wild.

    If you want to be a GI simp, that's fine. I'm not here to kink shame, but Toram is an original idea while GI is plagiarized. They're not even comparable, and I doubt you will invest more time in GI than you did in Toram.
     
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    Exactly, the game becomes farming resin in the late game. There is no enjoyment once you hit the wall. Then the game is time locked and encourages you too spend money to progress. Ironically to progress, it costs a lot of money...so even if you spend money, it becomes an endless rabbit hole with no escape.
     
  12. Lynxia

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    Neither does Genshin to be honest. It will become P2W for those that are trying to rush the game. The game already offers you ways to get characters for free. i haven't spent nothing yet and got Diluc, Barbara, Fischl, Jean, Razor, Beidou, Xiangling, Xingqiu from free spins over time. The only thing to really spend money for is on refilling the Resin and even they have been pretty fair on that as well. When completing missions and leveling up in Adventure Rank you get Fragile Resin which fills up the resin up by +60. I had like 12 of these boys before i noticed what they were used for. Genshin could of not offered these which really would have pushed a P2W feel since Resin is needed to get materials to ascend characters and weapons. There is no need to rush the game there is many areas to explore and puzzles to solves (and more to come) that will occupy your time. Im Adventure rank 36 now half way to 37 just ascend up 2 of 4 my main lvl 60 characters weapon to hit lvl 70 today. Just got to explore the map for chests now to get crystals to level up those weapons. Just play and enjoy the game and the materials needed to ascend/level up the characters and their weapons will come naturally.

    -bRyAn- and i had already discuss this. Instead of repeating it ill just copy and paste it below.
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  13. Lynxia

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    Assuming how i would invest my time as if you know my interests? Since the fall of Fire Fall i have been looking for another Open world MMORPG PC game similar to having exploration with side events/mobs that you would encounter. I haven't found any PC games yet that fit into those categories until i got information about Hytale. Which i still is currently being developed. Really Toram just keep me occupied. I tired Black Desert Online but to really get things and get you gears to TET and PEN you had to grind like hell and since I played Toram where grinding is literally the main concept i gave up on Black Desert. My interest are in games that capitalize on free roaming with the aspect of adventure where you have to explore to find the items needed to advance your gears and side events that you may encounter on the way. Not some main stream grinding game where everything is revolved around grinding, after a while this becomes boring as hell. There are too many of those kind of games already.
     
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    I normally agree with you on this topic, but this is where we disagree. Look, there is no such thing as a completely original idea, and as much as I enjoyed BotW, its ideas weren’t original--the combination of ideas borrowed from other games were what made it original. There’s nothing wrong with ideas resurfacing, surely?

    That being said, that certainly doesn’t excuse Genshin Impact’s blatant photocopy of BotW’s aesthetics. However, writing it off as a mere copy is simply ignorant. Its combat system and story couldn’t have been more dissimilar; I don’t recall Link losing his sibling nor having multiple party members, do you?
    I’m quite astonished. There are plenty of PC games that fulfill your requirements; where the hell have you been looking? If you haven’t already given it a go, Runescape could be what you’re looking for. I’m not biased, but it’s the one of the best open-world MMORPGs of all time.
    Unfortunately, I can't argue that; that is true. However, I have seen campaigns where they've offered a free item after x amount of pulls and discounts. Albeit they are temporary, they do exist, therefore the argument you're posing is a bit unfair.

    Funnily enough, Genshin Impact has, by far, the most grueling gacha rates I have ever witnessed. It has defeated Fate/Grand Order; the horror! Allow me to demonstrate:

    Pull Rate of 5 Star in Fate/Grand Order: 1%
    Pull Rate of 5 Star in Fire Emblem Heroes: 3%
    Pull Rate of 5 Star in Genshin Impact: 0.6%
    Pull Rate of S Rank in Honkai Impact 3rd: 1.5%

    They better bloody have a sparking system or else you could spent thousands and receive not one 5 star.
     
  15. Lynxia

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    No wonder. Those weapons stats are super OP. I was watching a video on someone who spent $300 doing roles and i believe he got 2 5* weapons. One was due to one the pity pull. That pity system they have helps a bit. Instance 5* character/weapon after like 8-9, x10 rolls overtime. On some other videos people get annoyed that their 5* pull was a weapon but when looking that those stats at level one I'm like, my god. They aren't necessary though, the 4* crafted/weapon are still good. Im current using Prototype Rancour on jean. its currently at lvl 64/70. She dealing 550-720 normal attack (crit 800-1100), Charge attack 1930 (crit 3012). Glade blade 3000 (crit 4000). Current she dealing a little bit more damage then Diluc that i have at the moment. I Might need to switch around the artifacts that i have on him.

    Wasn't really feeling it.
     
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    Yes, beyond doubt, you are able to reach the endgame as a free-to-play player, however that is not an indication of whether a game is free-to-play friendly or not; if you believe such, you lack perspective. And, yes, I acknowledge the developers don’t plan to implement any PvP content in the near future; nevertheless, PvE content can certainly become competitive--if Honkai Impact 3rd provides any indication, it will only worsen from there.

    Considering the 5 star pull rate of a pitiful 0.6% and the need to collect 32000 primo gems to guarantee just one, I don’t believe you realize those characters you’ve mentioned will probably be the only characters you will have for months to even years. Surely, they will release a character with a certain niche necessary for a certain game-mode that of which you cannot play unless you have said character, and unfortunately, is largely based on how large your wallet is.

    If you plan to play casually and drop it later on, none of this will pose any issues (something I plan to do), however, if you plan to play competitively, and for a long period of time at that, you’re going to have a bad time.

    Is Genshin Impact the fairest gacha game ever released? Not by a long shot.
     
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    stop arguing about GI or what this aint GI forums ffs u guys should stop bitching around in TORAM FORUMS FFS
     
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    No need to get mad. Their just having a discussion. It's not like their fighting or cursing on each other. And, this thread was made on off topic section, so they can freely discuss anything they want. It's not the first time someone talk about other new games on the forum. This always happens when there's a new release game.
     
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    The story of Link and GI aren't comparable. But the environment, combat and basic interactions are rip offs of BotW. There are plenty of comparisons now online that show this, even the developers mentioned they were heavily influenced by BotW.

    They created GI to capitalise on the popularity that another franchise created, and provided that experience for free and across platforms. Unfortunately, it's pretty bad knock off of Zelda. Almost a fanboy service to weebs. It's clear they developed the game, then inserted a story, based on anime tropes. You could literally just replace the characters in the game and create any generic anime. In fact, you could be probably leave the dialogue the same, and no one would notice. Because the player base are probably too busy farming resin, while dry humping their body pillows.


    If I was going to pick a game, that was free to play, then Dragons Nest would be hands down better than GI. But that's an MMO, and clearly this game is designed for people that love being comfortable in their own safe space. Free from being bullied by concepts like Hong Kong's independence and that Taiwan is not part of China.

    Prediction for 2021. No one will be interested in grinding Resin, and it will be a long forgotten title. Since it hasn't done anything ground breaking, in fact, it's just another generic rpg. The biggest achievement they have made, is spamming google ads. Because, ironically they're probably losing money, and are trying desperately to squeeze money out of gamers during the pandemic...who are low on money.
     
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  20. Lynxia

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    I agree. The combination of characters i have will certainly be good enough for me for some time, but the idea about them making certain parts of the game to only be completed by certain gache characters seems far fetched and would completely kill the free roam gameplay style. If they did this then i would certainly stop playing as well as many others and that would not be good for them at all. If they are smart they wouldn't make this move. I don't like games that forces your to use certain character to progress. What they more likely will do though is continue having certain puzzles to be completed using only
    Aether, Lumine the main story characters skills. I have been noticing in the Liyue region certain puzzles can only be completed with only the story characters special skills, but you have to have their element changed to Geo by resinating with a statue in the Liyue region. I guess time will tell.

    I believe it is, not only cause of the guaranteed 4* when doing doing 10x spin and the pity system but when doing these spin you get Starglitter when pulling a character and Stardust when pulling a character, which can be traded in for more spins or ascend items or 4* weapons. Since i got enough of what i needed i may not spend any money just yet until something better comes out that is worth it. I still got the first time buyer bonus active which give me double gems. The new gache characters that they are coming out with are pretty cool but it doesn't interest me enough to actually spin for them.
     

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