1. Welcome to the Toram Online Forums. Please make sure to read our rules and be friendly to all our members.
    Click here to read the rules before posting.
    Dismiss Notice

About the Smite tag revert

Discussion in 'Toram Online General Discussions' started by Akare, Oct 23, 2020.

  1. HoboOnline

    HoboOnline Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2018
    Messages:
    525
    Likes Received:
    262
    IGN:
    FamousToramPlayer
    You just offset smite for the improved damage, and utilise save/swift. With GSW and Dancer skills you can increase your damage output without issue on both Halb and 1h dagger. Unsure about DS
     
  2. Zufeng

    Zufeng Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2018
    Messages:
    791
    Likes Received:
    687
    Its a damn shame that they bend to them
    The smite changes are actually good, it just people can't move on from max stack impact-smite playstyle because they can't adapt.
    I kinda wish the invicible tag guarantee you invisibility but restricted to 1 per combo so i can safely end my finale or get close with triple thrust without killing myself.
    Bloodsucker can make tanks even more tankier, Shield cannon has ridiculous damage and this pairs well with tanks to keep them alive
     
    • Like Like x 3
  3. kagezumi_Crown

    kagezumi_Crown Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2018
    Messages:
    70
    Likes Received:
    20
    IGN:
    K@gezumi
    hmm i just wished the new smite system depended its dmg bonus on the no. of combos rather than the position of where smite was placed in the combo
     
  4. The Lost One

    The Lost One THOT BEGONE AGENT Elite Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2018
    Messages:
    1,430
    Likes Received:
    607
    IGN:
    <-Kenji-
    that would be too OP, ez 100% damage increase access
     
    • Like Like x 1
  5. Spanish Bread

    Spanish Bread Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2017
    Messages:
    465
    Likes Received:
    149
    Apparently kids want the easy way out rather than "great risk, great reward" crap.
     
    • Like Like x 3
  6. Amaymon

    Amaymon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2016
    Messages:
    446
    Likes Received:
    956
    IGN:
    Amaymon
    The new smite adjustment reminds me of the old days. Fresh. Smells fresh. The players nowadays reminds me of potatoes. Rotten potatoes.

    :D Sorry but players that can't adapt really makes me rude.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  7. Clover

    Clover Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2020
    Messages:
    142
    Likes Received:
    54
    Yes, but skills' animation with cast time is not affected by invincibility. But there are many slow animation skills that have cheap stargems such as bless and smash, meaning you can be invincible within a longer time than dive impact or meteor breaker (also p.def) +2MP combo only.
     
  8. Glaive™

    Glaive™ Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2018
    Messages:
    49
    Likes Received:
    17
    IGN:
    Glaive®
    Can you give an example using a practical combo you'd see yourself using in a real battle?
     
  9. HoboOnline

    HoboOnline Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2018
    Messages:
    525
    Likes Received:
    262
    IGN:
    FamousToramPlayer
    I don't know. Part of me wants to show you, but we're reverting back to the old smite. The other part of me is like 'this is a rabbit hole', since I use combos in reaction to boss attacks. So if I used it on one boss, then I'd be asked to show you on a different boss.

    So what exactly are you looking for? I imagine a halb combo?
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Sad Sad x 1
  10. Glaive™

    Glaive™ Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2018
    Messages:
    49
    Likes Received:
    17
    IGN:
    Glaive®
    Im trying to visualize how you'd get a higher dps with these combos compared to old smite and in order to do that i need a combo that you'd use against a boss of your choosing
     
  11. +Aria Kanzaki+

    +Aria Kanzaki+ Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2018
    Messages:
    748
    Likes Received:
    402
    IGN:
    +Aria+
    He likely creates a very specific combo that suits a specific boss' attack pattern, making a fast animation long combo with 80%-100% smited skill damage that uses fewer mp bars gives more overall damage compared to impact>(smite) combo with only 50% smite and costs 500-600 mp. You won't need to do auto attacks for ampr or stop and do mp charge>maximizer as often with long combo.

    How to survive against the boss using long combo? You observe the attack pattern, try to utilize invincibility tag, toughness tag, bloodsucker tag, mirage evasion, backstep, etc. inside the combo to survive attacks(bloodsucker tag can also act as a weaker smite using spirit tag, so you can use 2nd dps skill with spirit buff and main dps skill with smite tag in one combo, which means more damage) and time the combo corresponding the boss attack pattern.

    Obviously, there are situations where long combo is impractical because of unpredictability, like partying with randoms who doesn't know the meaning of teamwork, and party alliance at venena 2 with the tank running all over the place. But for solos, good party teamwork, and predictable boss pattern, being creative with a long combo using the new tags simply gives more overall damage.

    If there's a situation where using medium to long combos always gets you killed, then you simply use short combo, OR use another solution. There is this stat called HP, magic and physical resistance, and barriers which help improve survivability. There are also support classes that helps improve party survivability using skills like aegis, protection, chakra, stone barrier, sanctuary, royal heal, guardian, etc.

    This game is supposed to be a creative game where all kinds of builds and playstyle are possible. The game developers noticed that youtube and forums guides mass produced players who copied their builds filled with the same equipment, the same impact>smite combo, the same stat allocation, and the same glass cannon, pure dps gsw playstyle, and so the game developers said "Noooo, HP, resistance, and support skills should also be important, support characters should also be important, and magic skill users to balance proration should also be important and necessary". Hence, AOE spamming bosses whose attacks are almost impossible to avoid keeps getting introduced, and this new combo system was made.
     
    • Winner Winner x 9
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
  12. Glaive™

    Glaive™ Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2018
    Messages:
    49
    Likes Received:
    17
    IGN:
    Glaive®
    That still tells me nothing, i asked for an example and what you gave me isn't an example of an actual combo, your just stating the aftermath of using said combo that your not giving.

    i even said a boss of his choosing so the "different bosses, different combos" statement doesn't work here. what im asking for isn't difficult, and the tangent you went on wasn't necessary at all, im still not convinced, and your comment didn't really help at all, sounded more like a rant about the system than proving the new combo system produces better dps overall
     
    • Sad Sad x 1
  13. SquidInk

    SquidInk Member

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2020
    Messages:
    15
    Likes Received:
    23
    IGN:
    SquidInk
    Against many bosses I use a mid size combo. It's huge in appearance but shortened greatly by swift and GSW.

    Backstep→ Pulse Blade (Swift) → Kakiriki (save) → Flash Blast (swift) → Magadachi (Blood Sucker) → Garyou (smite)

    Gets the job done and gets it done well. Again, I use it against most bosses and it works fine. Its about timing it and knowing the boss pattern. Creating the combo in it of itself took me awhile because I had to test the practicality.
     
  14. SquidInk

    SquidInk Member

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2020
    Messages:
    15
    Likes Received:
    23
    IGN:
    SquidInk
    In hindsight yes it does improve dps but really mainly for the experienced and/or creative players. Those who follow guides rather than researching and building a character of their own suffer. And those in that situation who lack creativity or individuality in the game suffer more. It also makes it easier to be a dps build with outdated gear (tested)
     
  15. Amaymon

    Amaymon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2016
    Messages:
    446
    Likes Received:
    956
    IGN:
    Amaymon
    Prime example of non-researcher and mass produced player.

    Which part of the "different bosses, different combo" is hard to understand? To list each and every one of them is a hassle. Anyone who disliked something will always find ways to complain. If you can't play with a said combo, then what of it? Say it doesn't work? Then what if it works for everyone except you? There is no need to convince anyone.
     
    Last edited: Oct 24, 2020
    • Like Like x 2
    • Winner Winner x 2
    • Funny Funny x 1
  16. Glaive™

    Glaive™ Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2018
    Messages:
    49
    Likes Received:
    17
    IGN:
    Glaive®
    So what your telling me is that it's too much of a hassle to describe a combo you'd use against a singular boss even hypothetically lmao, prime example of "its better because i said so"

    you guys are on the same lvl of people trying to sell a product but only giving the end result and not the process you took to get there. I asked someone How the dps is better than before because i wasn't convinced and I've yet to be convinced with the new system, and to no surprise this forum sucks the dick of aso because everyone here wants to be special and can't even explain how it's better, they just say it is. that's why im not convinced and the fact that nobody here can give a valid example that i simply asked for proves there's no point in looking for answers here. So unless you can provide an example yourself I'll continue to wait for the original person i asked, and if he doesn't respond then oh well back to old smite we go not like i cared either way, im not crying(unlike a certain group of individuals)
     
    • Like Like x 1
  17. Amaymon

    Amaymon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2016
    Messages:
    446
    Likes Received:
    956
    IGN:
    Amaymon
    I should've added they could get violent real quick if not spoon fed :D
     
    • Funny Funny x 2
  18. Glaive™

    Glaive™ Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2018
    Messages:
    49
    Likes Received:
    17
    IGN:
    Glaive®
    Yeah continue to fuel your own ego in the corner, im waiting for the people with something to actually contribute to the discussion
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  19. HoboOnline

    HoboOnline Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2018
    Messages:
    525
    Likes Received:
    262
    IGN:
    FamousToramPlayer
    Ah ok, sounds simple enough. I imagine you want a video? I'm currently packing for a work trip atm, and will be back in like a week or two. But then the new system will be gone.

    I'll draw a picture in paint, that's the best I can do atm.
     
    • Funny Funny x 4
  20. Glaive™

    Glaive™ Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2018
    Messages:
    49
    Likes Received:
    17
    IGN:
    Glaive®
    I don't want a video i want a COMBO.

    what's the combo u used to make you even say the new system was better? I don't understand why it's so difficult to just type it out or even send a picture. I don't have any intention of copying your combo or whatever if that's what u think, im just trying to make a comparison. You basically said "this new system provides better dps with these combos" and yet your refusing to disclose the combos you used to achieve this effect, if it's too much of a hassle then don't even bother I'll just ask some else who thinks the same, because at this point the discussion is needlessly being dragged on.
     

Share This Page