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Why is Bow so much better?

Discussion in 'Toram Online General Discussions' started by The Brahmnic Boy, Dec 4, 2020.

  1. redsmite

    redsmite Well-Known Member

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    Talking about fairness, I believe melee dps should have an advantage over range dps. Maybe your bow dps char only worried about not getting hit damping its crossfire charges and dealing not enough damage. And satellite arrow not hitting and crying about why devs so stupid not making this skill a lot more op. But melee dps needs to brave though all the horrible boss aoe, risking your life just to touch its ass. In the meantime bow users can be very safe on the back only worrying about their cf charges. Even worse when boss jumps all over the place, you need to deploy your decoy or risk not getting mp. Bow users on the other hand can just dump their decoy everywhere in the middle map and not worried about not depleting their mana. Talking about low risk high reward.
     
  2. Surim

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    Ok if you say so let's not nurf the damage ._. But at least dev can make the 4 sec time to land the damage to 10 sec or 12 sec that will make a balance with other dps classes , we just want a balanced class not too op and not too advanced !! All classes deserve love from devs too !
    I mean wth man other classes regaining mp by normal atk and bow class just keep spamming sat arrows (just because over flowing with mp lol) also recharging CF to max stack ..., are you freaking kidding me .... this is just too much !! too much :V
     
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  3. Surim

    Surim Well-Known Member

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    Yes range dps shouldn't be able to evade ._. That is suppose to be there disadvantage they ... but toram online idk who made those skills man all are too much ! everyone can just keep abusing some cheap hacks and loopholes and claim themselves the most op player ... what a drag .... 5 stake evasion lol more depends on eqips are you kidding me? how is this even fair a single evasion suppose to charge 30 sec and its not even a thing here max level mirroge give 10 sec evasion when casting lol and also can keep evade when running @_@ this is just too horrible , I don't know why toram devs do such things are they behind all those bots too?? can't really tell ... one can't even enter int1 unless an unknown country sleeps and stop playing @0@ that's just too much man , evasions doesn't even cost mp .... how is that even fàir ? each evasion should consume 1k hp at least I am not joking, some idiots makes YouTube videos on how they beat a boss with 1 hp lol.... what he did in the video ? he evaded every single atk and took down the boss in 10 min without any hp potions lol is this even consider being op? aren't bosses suppose get less angry when you not in party? And that guy who took the boss down with expensive eqips, op skills and buffs thinks he is a toram god who can do something most ppls cant lol that's just hilarious .... I am starting to freaking hate toram now .... ,
     
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  4. Clover

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    Well, it's one of the reasons why it's called "Decoy Shot" of "Shot Skills".
    And about melee weapon classes, their damage dealer skills are landing on the target regardless of its movement (except that crusher skill and if target evades) so they won't worry much about timings, only ampr and proration while Bow (CF SA) class does (and tragic finale mages).
    Also about Mana Recovery, there are classes which are not necessary to rely on decoy for fast-moving targets, examples are Halberd's Chronos Drive and WCOS, Dual's bonus 2x AMPR+Power Wave, Knuckle's Chakra, or paired with Dancer Skills.
    So much that I hate to tackle it, why some ppl think that melee weap classes are having a hard time to avoid "anti-melee" stuff? I wanna ask them "Can't you just Backstep (which Bow users doesn't benefit that much)? Or cast some Buster Lance, Gatling Knife, Enchant Sword, etc.?" And if you really like to farm that "anti-melee" enemy using your beloved melee char, why not learn Power Wave? Some enemies are made to counter specific skill/s but give way for other skills to shine. There are reasons why they gave us enough character slots, it's for us to figure it out.
     
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  5. The Brahmnic Boy

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    While it does help other players by giving free 100 MP, the 15 AMPR bonus is only useful to bows. That's because the 15 AMPR bonus is lost as soon as you lose Resistance bonus, (and guess who loses Resistance bonus? The ones closest to boss.)
    We can, we can also use evasion, the problem is after Backstep we have to wait until the Spikes/Meteor/aoe goes away then go back to fighting. Our decoy can't even Regen MP because it's in the AOE, and Bows don't have any of those disadvantages.
     
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  6. ẜἸoωer

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    Yes, Chakra is lost the moment you are hit while buff is active. Casting it for yourself is not worth it unless you can make sure you don't get hit. Also requires alot of CSPD (even for a non-support) to be bearable as self buff even if the duration of the buff is 30 seconds. Since Knux doesnt have iframes and are close-ranged they lose it easily. Tbh, casting Chakra is useless for other roles, other than support as they maximize it with Chakra spam. Spirited Dance also can't be spammed unless the stacks is greater than 7. Even then building up stacks takes a bit of time to do.

    KnuxMD has more leeway in getting back MP but it still disadvantageous in some cases especially for a Physical-based DPS route.
     
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  7. Djikstra

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    Power wave?
     
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    the existence of decoy why bow is strong asf. they should rework it completely into a real decoy skill and transfer it into sneak skill line
     
  9. The Brahmnic Boy

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    Decoy Can't use power wave. That's the crux. If it did, it would solve a lot of problems. (What's troubling is that the skill tree it is in : Staff and Magic Device, they don't even need AMPR.)

    The existence of power wave in the middle of the MP charge-maximizer skill tree really makes it not worth it. For Knux builds you are going to feel to just equip MD and get Maximiser anyway, it's that close. You also have MP charge already in the same line, (which feels pointless - at this point you should have just gotten WCOS and forgone Power wave.) The Chain cast doesn't do much, and you have to spend points on it anyway. If it was like before Magic: Guardian Beam then it would be lucrative.
    And Shukuchi and power wave have a strange interaction.
    Also, using a magic type skill doesn't fit in with the theme of most classes - just a niche thing.

    I would love to try using level 10 power wave in my brawler, it's just that it costs 20 points, and I still have to get Battle skills (for 30 points) and I have only 30 skill points, at level 205. I might get it at level cap.
     
  10. redsmite

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    Like I said, decoy shot is broken on bow and so fucking what if it is on the shot skill, most skills in this game can be inherited by other class. Impact and Finale can be used by every single class in this game abuse it like they own it. I will argue that bow got the most out of gsw and all other broken stuff simply because they are range. Bow don't need to worry about emptying their mana and despise it so much they even out perform mage on that too, a class touted to be the the strongest for mana recovery. Avoiding melee stuff? Oh Really? These melee aoe are so fucking random and hits really really hard. Ive seen so many people die to these apparently easy to dodge melee aoes so many many times even though they been farming there for their fucking entire time because the truth is, it isnt so simple to dodge them. Bow on the other hand are only busy trying to charge their cf and use satelitte arrow and wish for the heaven that they won't miss. Also lets not talk about how fucking op bows are in hunting mini boss. Crossfire and its broken aoe thingy can one shot many mini bosses with ease. They can simply charge their crossfire while waiting for the mini boss to spawn and lets not forget they can just dump their decoy on fucking everywhere in the middle of the map. See, bow takes no skill to play and they are op? Fucking outrageous man and no wonder this game is becoming too boring. And also Lol I wish I had that many spina to to buy many op equips because you can safely invest on all dte bows and be able to play almost any boss especially the event boss.
     
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  11. SirDex

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    I have no answer to your question, but just upset the bow simps removed their comments from this post because I was about to hold a 2h to their brains and karen slam from 4 stories high on their bich asses for simping on such pathetically overpowered class that makes me wana cheat on my fire ele halberd with a bow ele arrow.
    I'm not innocent either *cries*
    it's been hard so dont leak what i said. I have 17 followers on instagram don't ruin my career.
     
  12. AliceYvne

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    Which parts you mean? The Disadvantageous in physical-based DPS.
     
  13. ẜἸoωer

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    I mean KnuxMD DPS which uses Chariot/Rush/Goliath, cuz you wont invest in DEX at all.

    Chakra needs a lot of CSPD to be even worth using as a skill.

    KnuxMD DPS mages are better off using it due INT>DEX allocation.

    Chakra is much more suitable for support AGI>DEX.
     
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    OIC....I’m using AGi+DEX KnucMD now, have 1700 CSPD but didn’t learn chakra, because don’t know how to utilize it and the animation is longer, is it put in combo better or individual use better?
     
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    Chakra is better of not put in a combo, unless you have insane amount of CSPD like 8k+ for the less than a second cast time.

    Motion speed is really important as well, it makes a huge difference after the cast giving you more time to react faster.

    If you invested in CSPD xtals or gear and use support auras, its feasible to use. Problem tho is most bosses have global aoes or sharks that kill your auras and also remove chakra buff once you get hit.
     
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    I though chakra base cast time is 3 second, so with 2k CSPD we can reach 1 second cast time already right?

    boss shark or rapid skill really annoying, that why Now I more prefer using elegent because have invincible, the only cons is need to always make sure you didn’t get any Debuff...
     
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    but toam players rather go for fast kills...
     
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