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Dark power skills and MagicBlade skills info

Discussion in 'Toram Online General Discussions' started by The Brahmnic Boy, Jan 28, 2021.

  1. Phoenix。

    Phoenix。 Well-Known Member

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    You can't conclude from this that is a percentage reduction. It might very well be a flat reduction. Also I am not entirely sure what the physical res% of alto is since that is needed to calculate the def reduction. What was your total skill point investment in Dark Power?

    The HP reduction is exactly 100HP/s
     
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    If it’s not because of the Guard, I’m afraid is the Physical resistant make the data inaccurate. Maybe you should try the other mob will less guard or resistant.

    Eternal nightmare didn’t deal any damage right? I think is just a Debuff only, it’s only show dark circle on the monster we attack.
     
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    It’s not conclude, it’s just the result from my test. The physical resistant from alto is 6%, dark power skill only Max last 2 skill to max, the rest is 5.

    And thank for the Hp reduction correction.
     
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    nop, the data is accurate of p.resistance and def. Against mob like raffy is normal but change in boss and idk why xd.

    I try with lv skill from all dark energy, but its doesn work
     
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    Your test fits very well with my test. I only leveled one row with 5-5-5-10 and got roughly a def reduction of 50. You leveled the other row as well and get a def reduction of roughly 90
     
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    Mean the total def reduce also affect by the SLv of other dark power skill?
     
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    Test in Iconos Normal and Hard 100% Stab:
    Screenshot_20210129-092030.png
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    Iconos Normal 75% HP+, DEF 162, P.resist 10%:
    -Damage without Eternal Nightmare:
    24793 (CRT 1HIT) = ([(215-108+1035)*(0.9)]+400-162)*1.5*(10+3.07)
    9485 (CRT 2HIT) =([(215-108+1035)*(0.9)]+400-162)*1.5*(5)
    -Damage with Eternal Nightmare:
    17592 (NO CRT 1HIT) = ([(215-108+1035)*(0.9)]+400-DEF)*(10+3.07) where DEF is 81, that is -50%DEF.
    20190 (NO CRT 2HIT) = ([(215-108+1035)*(0.9)]+400-DEF)*(15, From 10stcks E.NM) where DEF is 81 too

    But its change for the Difficulty:
    Iconos Hard Lv118, DEF 324 and 10% P.resist
    -Damage without Eternal Nightmare:
    14298 (No CRT 1HIT) = ([(215-118+1035)*(0.9)]+400-324)*(10+3.07)
    -Damage with Eternal Nightmare:
    23029 (CRT 1HIT) = ([(215-118+1035)*(0.9)]+400-DEF)*1.5*(10+3.07) where DEF is 243, aprox -25%DEF
    26430 (CRT 2HIT) = ([(215-108+1035)*(0.9)]+400-DEF)*1.5*(15, From 10stcks E.NM) where DEF 243 too

    The test was E.NM lv4 and lv10 give the same and the Lv of Energy Skills doesnt work for the def reduce.
     
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    It's ok Im still using Staff so Im still in range. Sure it's not that OP cuz int dex burst mage doesnt get a lot of cdmg. But for something I use for Bonus damage, it is definitely good for utility
    If ever OHS, Enchant Blade combo as main DPS makes it good to build up Burst Charges too. With Rosetta Stone you shouldn't need so much burst stacks
     
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    I saw a post from Japanese Twitter , they mention below item.
    https://twitter.com/Ema_toram/status/1355078536961253384?s=20


    Currently the Def of boss on each mode boss is calculate as below
    normal = BaseDef
    hard = BaseDef x 2
    Nightmare = BaseDef x 4
    Ultimate = BaseDef x 6

    But when Eternal Nightmare come in calulation the formula become like below
    Hard = BaseDef+100%-50%
    Nightmare = BaseDef+ 300%-50%
    Ultimate = BaseDef+500%-50%

    Example dark dragon
    BaseDef is 250 in normal mode
    Hard = 500
    nightmare = 1000
    Ultimate = 1500

    when Eternal Nightmare come in, like below
    Normal = 125
    Hard = 375
    Nightmare = 875
    Ultimate = 1375

    so basically EN did reduce 50% of Def from Boss in Normal Mode, but when come to Hard Mode ( x2 BaseDef ), the calculation become (250/2)+250 = 375, which is reduce only 25% Def from Boss only, and this getting a less and less when come to ultimate mode, only 9% is reduce.

    I not yet use your data to calculate yet, because difficult to calculate using mobile phone...
     
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    Interrsting, i found the same but i thought that was wrong.

    I should try in other boss for check. Ty
     
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    i don't think that enchant sword use matk after enchant burst buff activated. yes it's increase matk depend on sub md atk(affected by refine) after buff activated, but i think the enchant sword power increase only affected by sub md refine value, like C refine = +12%. i put 2 stat point at int, but the damage number still same.
     
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    Look like we've got an exact number on how much def reduction for each difficulty :

    Normal = BaseDef/2
    Hard = (BaseDef/2)+BaseDef
    Nightmare = (BaseDef/2)+BaseDef*3
    Ultimate = (BaseDef/2)+BaseDef*5

    ex Zahhak (BaseDef = 1000) :
    Normal = 500 (50% Def reduction from 1000)
    Hard = 1500 (25% Def reduction from 2000)
    Nightmare = 3500 (12,5% Def reduction from 4000)
    Ultimate = 5500 (8,33% Def reduction from 6000)

    "Its all mean def reduction from normal to ultimate difficulty were all same 50% based on normal diff regardless difficulty"

    But the main question is, does eternal nightmare def/mdef reduction cosist of 50% regardless skill lvl ? (does lv.1 skill do the same thing)
     
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    In the skill description it says something along the lines of "def reduction is affected by the total level of dark power skills".
    No the reduction is a lot lower at lv 1. I also don't feel like this is the whole truth because it says the def reduction depends on total skill points invested into Dark Power
     
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    I tested with each lv from E.NM, and the reduce reach the maximun in Lv4.

    My test was in tree skill:
    5 - 5 - 5 - 10
    5 - 5 - 5 - 1+

    I will test in other boss more late
     
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    Test in flare volg normal 50, 100 DEF & 2%P.R
    Screenshot_20210129-163344.png
    With Knuckles my ATK 594, Lv 215:
    -Damage with Eternal Nightmare:
    16200 (CRT 1HIT) = {[(594+215-50)*(0.98)]+400-DEF}*1.5*10, where the DEF isnt 50 that should be for the -50%HP, the DEF is 63.

    What happened :'v????
     
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    1.5 is CD right? The 10 is from where?
    I would prefer you try white normal white damage using auto attack. Launch the first hit and then quit, it’s would be more accurate.
     
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    https://mobile.twitter.com/Ema_toram/status/1355183416342245384
    Another info from same data miner
    With Soul Hunter Lv10, you can get Def-50% from Eternal Nightmare at SLv4.
     
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    10 is the multiplier for the first hit and cdmg 1.5, i didnt you other stat, only dex

    Yeah, i have the same problems in zahhak and other boss.
     
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    Translation :
    "If you get Soul Hunt slv10, Nightmare can be slv4 ~ def-50% ・ Light resistance -5%, darkness resistance + 5% regardless of slv"

    I think if we want to get -50% def/mdef debuff from eternal nightmare without soul hunt being learned its recommended to lvl up until 10
     
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    I wanted to know if ohs/knuckle+md sub gets the 2x mp recovery like md/staff main from soul hunter.
    And does bow+katana sub get the dex/100 multiplier.
     
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