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crit new META for mages?

Discussion in 'Toram Online General Discussions' started by LilEmperor, Apr 13, 2022.

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  1. LilEmperor

    LilEmperor Well-Known Member

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    I just reset my mages stats and skills using the free resets and looking at equipment on consignment board most of the new mage gear seems to be crit equipment. Is crit the new META for mages? Is Finale still the main damage dealing attack with crit?
     
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    seems like it, tho I recommend getting element equipment (Awakened ele), as it gets higher crit chance conversion (400 crit needed for 100% normally, 200 crit needed for 100% with Ele weapon)
    It's a RNG playstyle tho, you will be rolling the dice to either be first attacker or third attacker, I took the magic crit skill as I kinda like getting a few crits here and there

    Also crit rate is good for Nemesis, there's that
     
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    can i ask. element slash>nemesis combo. is weaken buff cover all hit of nemesis or when the weaken buff runout the magic crit chance also gone?
     
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    I believe nemesis uses Physical crit (100 crit 100% chance) rather than magic crit conversion, since it can be used by all classes, just like Vortex<which can achieve 100% crit by using physical crit, my farm mage doesn't have burst and always crits vortex)- nemesis should be the same. Keyword should, I never used nemesis so IDK
    Weaken does increase the magic crit chance and damage as well, but if nemesis uses only Physical crit, the damage increase might not count, or maybe it uses both crit kinds, I can't test that myself but I hope this info helps
     
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    thanks sir
     
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    If you plan to take nemesis then crit is a must. Missing the first cast won't give you a buff to earn stack since the first hit of nemesis is physical. The additional damage in the process is magical and is affected by Matk.

    The most optimal use for crit nemesis is opener>nemesis(smite)>elemental slash(minds eye) of course you must use awakened element sub md to make it work.

    If you want to avoid magic crit since building it is quite costly, go for the usual finale main damage and spam the hell out of it, probably the cheapest to build out of mage builds.
     
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    When the weaken buff runout, it has the possibility to not crit so better cast another weaken buff to continue the critical hits of nemesis.
     
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    Did they change the formula for magic crit?
    With element staff you will get double crit chance? Then, is finale user also need element staff too?
    :eek:
     
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    isn't finale is fixed to neutral?
     
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    yes, which is why I think it will only work for Magic: Burst, meteors and canon. finale might work along Weaken, but that needs MD sub for the skill and Idk about magic warrior at all

    not sure if changed, or just no one really knew about it, I constantly dig info on Coryn Club about the skills, and stepped into that info-
    and yes, you get.. 'Double' crit chance (or rather, instead of having your crit divided 4 times, it is divided only 2 times now, which means 200crit for 100%, I call it 'less nerfed' :v)
    Finale is neutral, Elements don't affect it, so highly likely that elemental staffs are useless for finale (and since Awakened element is the needed requirement afaik, you won't get the crit rate and damage boost), again, Weaken might work on it but idk
     
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    they still havent, i believe what they refer to 200 physical crit for 100% crit is for weaken. i dont think that awakening only will lessen the requirement, you will be still needing weaken debuff. but.... you will be needing to mix the weaken debuff and awaken skills so i guess there is that. and if you learn spell burst and mix with the mention above, you will be only needing 134 physical crt for you to have 100% magic crit
     
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    any element equipment or counter element of the boss to gain 100% magic crit with 200 flat crit?
     
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    Awakened element is a certain, pure Damage to Element% I'm not sure, perhaps? in any doubt use awakened
     
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    So I've been playing around building CRIT mages vs. INT/DEX mages using Coryn Club's Stat Simulator, and it seems to me like given good enough equipment INT/DEX mages are still pretty much on par with CRIT mages as far as DPS goes. So I would think INT/DEX mages are still better as their DPS is more consistent?
     
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    with the new element damage bonus with int the dmg of int>dex would be better, but if you use element you should use crit build as i think the dmg of element and crit is multiplicative to each other and maybe do more dmg?
     
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    INT/DEX is better for non finale mages.
    I still recommend INT/CRIT for finale mages. Coz finale dont need cspd
     
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    For non-finale what is primary DPS skill/s? Does it do more DPS than finale?
     
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    for magic cannon arrows is the best, use with chain cast and its one of the fastest and i think it gives more motion to cannon as it doenst have a cast
    for non cannon then burst is best, but high castspeed build and crit build dont work together, you need dex for cast
     
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    for better magic crit chance you need element AND weaken on the enemy...
    there isnt a skill with good weaken chance for mages to use so crit build is a rng based, you need to be lucky for the weaken and for the crit...
    asobimo really doesnt want magic full crit to be a thing
    maybe with magic device skills there will be a skill with better weaken chance
     
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