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26 Aug 2021 Skill Balance Changes.

Discussion in 'Toram Online General Discussions' started by The Brahmnic Boy, Aug 25, 2021.

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  1. Momoeater

    Momoeater Well-Known Member

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    2hs already got meteor, how many more skills you need. Lol
     
  2. Kaisyl

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    Tested e.sword with free reset, damage is sub-par but the buff could be used to further boost Goliath punch damage. Can be used in between goliath charges to give elemental? boost to skill damage. Could probably slap that skill on a 1/2mp short swift combo. I'll make yet another video incliding this setup. It's not useful when facing neutral enemy though.

    E.burst... I can't see any justification for this skill other than for some petty ranged magic damage. May be best to disregard on knux unless someone else can find a use for it?

    On another note, with the growing number of self buffs (resonance, auto spell cooldown, god hand and now enchant sword) it's a bit rough to get a combo cycle going at start.
     
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    Isn't enchanted sword physical skill with physical proration?
    So if Goliath is used directly after enchanted sword for its 10% element dmg boost, then enchanted sword will reduce the dmg of Goliath.

    Unless magic or neutral proration is done after using enchanted sword, as it has 30 sec buff.
     
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    Yup, that's another drawback of E.sword though with autospell and using combination in said combo, it's almost fully negated so the proration effect isn't too large.
     
  5. The Brahmnic Boy

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    • How about Baldi Saber?I
    • have a 538+B 1s one; and it has MATK UP(STR 300)
      • Which means it has the same MATK growth as ATK.
    • Along with Conversion, can something be done?
     
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    Going STR>DEX build with that, it's possible for you to have your MATK being almost equal to your ATK, although just about maybe like 3.5k ish.
    Going STR>INT will skyrocket your MATK to like 4k+, but you'll lose the stability gain from DEX, and cspd, etc...
    Also, I heard that the ATKUP and MATKUP stats are added as flat value, thus they don't make % bonus any better.
     
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    It's my refiner lol.
    So it has to be STR > TEC
     
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    Ah sorry, I made a small mistake with the simulator.
    Anyway, depending on build, STR>DEX would give you around 3.4-3.5k matk, while it's possible for STR>INT to pump it up to 4k. Not sure about the atk with those stats but can be at least 3.5k.
    If you're STR>TEC, however, your MATK would likely to be around 3k. Not really good, but not bad either.
    And that "3k-ish" is still only with just the wp and some passives and with character level being capped. It could be higher with arm, add gear, ring, xtals and stuff.
    Not sure if it worth or not though, since Baldi lacks a few other stats.
     
  9. Momoeater

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    God hand is actually meant to be combined with chakra skill, because it gives 50% fractional dmg reduction, which god hand completely lacks.
    So use chakra and get 30 sec buff, and use god hand without worrying much about fractional dmg.

    And +S refine in armor, add gear and shield can give +15% each fractional dmg reduction each, that's total 95% fractional dmg reduction, or without shield yet 80% fractional dmg reduction.

    So don't bother complaining to devs about god hand not having fractional dmg reduction, they won't change it, because the solution is already there.
     
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    i dont see any prob now in knux now but definitely charka and god hand wont synergy cuz chakra act as single barrier usage which is god hand user is mostly prone enemy attacks to use for rebuff which is your not gonna waste time to recast chakra 24/7 (unless there's gonna support you to spam chakra to utilize super high dmg reduction)
     
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    That would be more of an issue if chakra was like god hand skill and not a buff skill that lasts 30 sec.
    Since it's a buff, such a combination makes more of a sense and justifies god hand's lack of fractional dmg reduction.
    And that's why there is 10k cspd.(just ignore that lol)
    Not an easy feat to achieve though.

    Or better, more like agi+dex build stuff.

    Agi build makes it rather worse, because mobs can miss a lot hitting your character.
    So already spending good amount of time using god hand, add chakra too.
    Like how many boss or mobs hit multiple times in 1 hit?

    How about str dex build? Lol
    To avoid missing getting hit.
    Now can be prefect time to do tests, with free resets.
     
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    Wait, does refine & chakra dmg reduction add up like that? I don't remember them being additive with each other like that.
     
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    Don't some bosses do more than 100% fractional dmg, like 200% or more.
    That makes it useless to even have 100% fractional dmg reduction.
     
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    Why am I even bothering with god hand skill.
    I don't even use that skill. Lol
    God hand at max stack increases dmg of Goliath punch by about 65%.

    By the time it takes to get hit for rebuff god hand, Goliath punch can already be used 2 times.
    That is 200% dmg, with 2 Goliath.
    Instead of wasting time predicting boss moves to get hit, or miss trying, only to do 165% dmg, with 1 goliath.
    Rather impractical and slow.
    I watch people on youtube using goliath punch with 3 god hand stacks, they just showing the high dmg, not showing how long of a ridiculous time it took to even get 3 stacks.
     
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    The solution I gave is for players who use god hand skill and got problem with fractional dmg while using god hand.
    Not that I was required to give this solution, players who are familiar with knuckle based would probably know about it already.
     
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    Godhand has been buffed, it lasts a whole minute and some multi-hit attacks can actually insta-max stack it. You can do about 5 or so? Goliath provided you don't use Godhand in between and let the duration expired.
     
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    That is based on prediction and chances of getting hit which is random.
    It's nowhere as simple as using war cry skill.
    And agi build makes it worse.
    While straight forward using goliath is 100% assured and reliable.
    I prefer fast battle, instead of slow, otherwise I rather use finale.

    Though god hand buff can be used for instant high dmg kill.

    I don't use Goliath as finisher skill.
    I use it as a full out dmg skill.

    Depends upon player, how they want to use it.
     
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    By the time 3 stacks are achieved, a mini boss can be killed just by spamming Goliath, from the beginning of battle.
    Unless you are fond of seeing big dmg numbers in 1 hit, who doesn't like that. Lol

    Just an example thought.
     
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    Aaaaaand you win.
     
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