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Discussion in 'Dual Wield' started by Eliahzrel, Jul 29, 2017.

  1. Eliahzrel

    Eliahzrel Well-Known Member

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    I know we want to maximize everything out of our DUAL WIELD. BUT Im suggesting to test those damage on a STANDARD boss/monster. The damage arent stable at all.. You tried it on DY and got over power results then you go to Imitacia you would probably have a nerf damage and every boss varies.. Specially with a party.. Soloist are cool but we know we need those rank standing for emblem i guess.. Who wouldnt want to get Attacker rank?
    What do you think guys?
     
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  2. Lynxia

    Lynxia Musketeer

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    i Agree greatly, its why i test my build on differently bosses and mini bosses. Imitator, Nure, Zolban, and a few others has nerfed players damage, and different attack algorithm, some bosses attack algorithms are much more aggressive than others like Jade, zolban, violaccoon, imitator, lapin, and few others. So when you find a good build its best to test it on different bosses to see how it does, damage is one thing, but testing how well it last or holds up is another. Then you can make changes to areas that needs a little improvement. :)
     
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  3. Eliahzrel

    Eliahzrel Well-Known Member

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    Party is also a factor too.. With a mage on your side doing magic damage increases damage over top. But with a bow/bowgun, sword fu and specially halberd they nerf your damage after they smite a boss eating up the team prorate. Another factor is the ACCURACY of DW hence most of us goes to Str Agi build with STR increases sa CDMG while AGI increases the Sub Weapon damage that makes our Phanton Slash and Charging Slash do higher damage. But with some boss at higher dodge rate we often GRAZE to it since crits dont miss.
     
  4. Lynxia

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    If you want hit bosses more just up your crit rate with crit stats on you gear and using a helmet with crit rate on it, crit stat is optional. If you want to cut down on the grazes you get from high dodge bosses you will have to add dex to cut down on the grazes you recieve. Even on dual with high dex they still recieve crit grazes, but not that often. Other classes where dex isn't there main stat experiences these grazes hits on high dodge bosses too.
     
  5. Eliahzrel

    Eliahzrel Well-Known Member

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    Gothic hat +15 is very handy equip with warmomger and s.gear with bexiz do match up well. Plus the armor.. And astute buff really increases upto 90 perfect or more crit. On the other hand shadow step with +50 crit are really popular for budget crits. Well lets see how DW progress over time
     
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    Spend some time with the class. I believe you will find a style that suits you. Seem like you are almost there to finding one :).
     
  7. Eliahzrel

    Eliahzrel Well-Known Member

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    I realize the DW skills are kinda built for unsheathe and evasion.. Il make a vid against don yeti and post it here.
     
  8. Lynxia

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    Cant wait to see what you put together :)
     
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    I keep up with, and even beat most of the snipes I farm with in dps. Halbs too. I take attacker rank a lot. Halberd and Snipes have to be exceptionally good to beat my dps because of how far I've pushed it. I have plenty of screenshots where I'm sitting in #1 attacker rank. And that's just my playstyle. Cyph is another dual wield who can take attacker rank as well with his playstyle. You just have to understand how to take advantage of other player's play styles in order to succeed in a party.

    And as for damage testing. We do Don Yeti for boss videos just to show you the basics of our builds. But that's why we have other solo videos. I have a video soloing Imitacia, imitator, ecb, etc. I've posted all of that.

    And as for bosses like Scrader, Warmonger and Zolban, they're all proration locked/limited bosses. No one will hit their max damage without a merc there.
     
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    I solo every boss in the game, regardless if my damage is the same or not. I use a standard combo for my vids but i include a vid with different combos that i make which i think is suited against the bosses i fight.

    My damage testing on bosses like DY, PG, GK and warmo give me different results based on what i need to see. I test on different types of bossea to see how much my damage grew and if this combo is suited to that kind of boss.

    Attacker rank isnt really my target in PTs. I just target breaker and tank most of the time. I dont mind my damage as long as i can make the runs faster. Attacker is a bonus for me. I dont try that hard to take attacker when i know someone more capable of dishing out damage than i do is there.

    Ive been playing DW since its release and ive bought 200$ worth of resets within the span of 60 to 70 cap just to find the build suited to my playstyle.
     
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  11. Eliahzrel

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    Trying to make something out of this.. I hope to do more after.. Checking pros and cons..
     
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    best tip for having ur own playstyle.. never copy a build whether its on YouTube or here at forums.. getting ideas from builds will do but never do a copy cat build since the build that u copy fits on creators playstyle.. sure u can copy but will u be happy about it?.. will u be satisfy with just copying builds?? building ur own is the best and dont be scared of failure.. thats the part of improving ur own build alongside with ur playstyle!
    own build=100%compatible with ur play style
     
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  13. Eliahzrel

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    Yeah.. Every Boss varies and every combo bout it. Nothing is perfect for a dual wield. Some boss are hard to hit and some are easy.. But I still high hopes to do massive damage and grab that attacker rank. We may have different passion but to be stronger are all what we must agree. Your sacrifes are commendable.. Kudos to you and others who answer those questions we newbies post.
     
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    Eliahzrel Well-Known Member

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    Thats why its a test... And its the basic build that anyone with an initiative can build. It really suits a DW unsheath maximizing on the 150percent smite with both reflex and flashblast in it. No nid to add QA.
     
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    but will this build work while on pt?? dws are complex tbh.. u cant evade if u dont have the aggro..*insert spammers and tank* also u need to think about how the team would work.. not just thinking of attacker rank..
    i as dw i can handle a high dps output but that would be a big hindrance on the team becuz of proration.. *insert full patk pt*
     
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    Eliahzrel Well-Known Member

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    "EVADE" i always here this sentence "you got no aggro so your evade is useless"
    Sometimes Im missing the point on this.. Is it in favor if you wont get hit and not having aggro? Evasion doesnt work on magic and it doesnt activate all the time.. Maybe because of the wasted skill points.. I really dont get it..

    In party maybe yes and no. Like Phantom sometimes it hits hard or graze... But i believe with same level and hi equips members and a bowgun or halberd eating the team prorate..this build might have hard time coping up.. Never tried yet' still testing and finding new ideas.
    You got anything in there.. Please do share..greatly appreciated'
     
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    Eliahzrel Well-Known Member

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    I really notice it.. Party changes combo or waits who drops 1st.. And when mage cast the storm it was like a cue for bombardment... Halbs really takes advantages drowning the boss.. But i see some halbs having difficult time after 3 of us got wipe.. When he turn solo and mp got dry he became sluggish.. I can take out halbs and hunters too.. But in par with me its very difficult and having me out of rank.
     
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    whenever i pted with them u know what im doing? prorating and rank secure for breaker.. u dont need to compete for attacker rank tbh.. dws are better in solo since u can abuse ur own proration.. but in pt it can compete indeed but it all depending on ur build
     
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    Dual Wield, as a whole, is a class about adaptation. You adapt to your own style of play with it, and, in turn, adapt that playstyle to the situations you encounter. I've always enjoyed playing glass cannon dps types, so my dw is a hard hitter. That being said, attacker is always my goal for farming. Because of that, I have different combos for different situations. Will I always get attacker? No. But do I get attacker a lot? Yes. And I still prorate for my party while doing so. Our kill times are quick, not to mention I can solo virtually every existing boss in this game. Dual Wield can do whatever you want. Just push it to the limit.
     
  20. Lynxia

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    HMMMM........ I wonder what would happen if they removed ranks and had people awarded for thier effort in the boss battle? Then all this hot to get attacker rank would all seem pointless. :D
     

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