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Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by dnanh10, Feb 21, 2019.

  1. Arkar006

    Arkar006 Well-Known Member

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    Builds by it's own way, but such a basic data?... aside if it's troll or not... yes, they have rights to do that, obviously, but where is the point of it... cause chaos and make people go salty by removing important informations during free resets?... and if removing it forever, where was the point of sharing all the calculations from the beginning?
     
  2. J.D.X.

    J.D.X. The King of Flies on His Throne of Lies Elite Member

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    I agree with the ungrateful part.
    They did a lot for the player base and hardly got
    much acknowledgment for their work.
    Players just took their hard work for granted without giving a second glance.
     
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  3. Jbazt

    Jbazt Into the Forsaken Realm of Consciousness Elite Member

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    yeah i understand where you coming from. maybe the players/community just used to the infos they releasing every new added skills, rebalance, etc that made many so reliant on those. we are spending our own time playing the game, we should make our own effort to understand the the role, build, decisions that will be suited for ourselves or else you will never be satisfied on the results and will never understand what you doing. you will become a puppet that will move on every pull of the strings.
    and its not their obligation to give those infos to us. be greatfull if they do, carry on if they dont.
     
  4. Lxcn M.F

    Lxcn M.F Well-Known Member

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    cuz ppl like you @Arkar006 does not deserve their help. how could u accuse them at this point when they been collecting info for us for all these years? not to mention most youtuber took their info, share their stuff without even giving any credit to them.
     
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  5. J.D.X.

    J.D.X. The King of Flies on His Throne of Lies Elite Member

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    Some even taking credit for their info...
     
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    Isra Solitary Monarch Elite Member

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    Don't say about Amino
     
  7. Jbazt

    Jbazt Into the Forsaken Realm of Consciousness Elite Member

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    Credit should be given when credit is due. But not because they created the guide, may it be basic, simple or complex foundation, can we really took credit from it?
    Like if I made a build of ampr class, should I take credit for all the high ampr I will see? Because I'm the first or I'm the one created/posted the build?
    It's like taking away the credit to a player of learning through it's experience, like removing/denying the possibility of growth on your own and learning things by doing it, experiencing it, adopting to it, making something about it because you have an idea or a background on it.

    Like my tank build is a build way back when I started and what Iam now is the plan I made 2 years ago. They created a guide about defense aspect in game.
    I will ask this to everyone. Am I playing behind the shadow of that thread? For what my tank had become was all because of the infos on that thread? Should I give credit to that thread that I learned/build my tank because of that thread?
     
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  8. Soul Nomad

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    For all we know they could taken it down because they wanted to make a new version. I can see its inconvenient especially with all free resets atm but they make it themselves and we should be thankful they even made it to begin with. If you disagree with them taking it down just make your own version and keep it up long as you want but this was their own creation and they have every right to do what they want with it.
     
  9. Arkar006

    Arkar006 Well-Known Member

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    Ok, fine, my bad. Better?
    I respect their work... well, more than a lot. And didn't mean it to go this way. Sorry. I won't say much more from now.
     
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    sorry i didn't mean to be rude. just. i'm really sad tbh. i really appreciate their effort. especially ayame cuz he taught me a lot. if it wasn't him, i wouldn't be standing on the spot i am today. he's my senpai and a great friend in my eyes. i'm just sad, he's so done with all of this that he have to force himself to leave forum.
     
  11. 炎Exer炎

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    Place is full of cancer that can't be cured, and quite alot of stubborn players
    Seeing this http://aminoapps.com/p/ui6ei7 and http://aminoapps.com/p/31dhjg.
    If I am in XIII's and Mayam's shoes and players still wanna go by their way. All the more reason which we can or cant assume that they should feel the same way.
     
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    Exactly, the good players who learns will stay quiet because they know what they are doing, but having to teach a player who is ignorant about their own "playstyle", asks stuff when info has long being stated, and believes in their own way is better above acknowledging that the info (xiii's and mayam's guides) have contributed. Is a lost cause, hence what can we do? It's just sad
     
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  13. Yunan

    Yunan Not Enough Salt Elite Member

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    Because they can? And they find enjoyment by doing so. They're not obliged to do it, yet they did it. I'm sad that they're gone but it is what it is. If they come out and said "hey, don't use our guide even the one from amino" I'd respect their decision
     
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    If you're one of those who are salty and crazy dependent on guides, just uninstall the game. You can thank Asobimo for not being transparent showing the full player stats. In the beginning? Oh well 2015 - 2016 Toram is gold, but after that it has just gone downhill. XIII and Mayam are here since those days.
     
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    This whole situation is very strange and honestly feels like the biggest troll in Toram history. I honestly can’t see it in either of them to just up and erase everything after being so selfless for so long unless their was some major blow out that I missed. Either way baselessly accusing them of a huge scandal is a sure fire way to convince them to NOT return the guides. Just sit back, relax, and let it all play out because that’s all we can do anyways.
     
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    If they listed infos regarding skill mechanics they should've give some credit in one way or another. Especially outside the forum. Simply referring to the forum should do it. Well, the formulas are ultimately, asobimo's properties
     
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    I never checked that thread. But I once I'm in a line chat group, I recalled mayam mocked me laughing at me that my efforts on refining all my gears to +S are useless for just the +6 phy/mag resistance.
    Then I tell them refining also adds fractional resist with video proof so I think for a stats very rare in game, it's worth it in my opinion and said it in a polite manner. Many here was there and can prove if I'm lying or not.
    Did he include that credit on his defensive thread? Then YouTube starting to show vids from many players how refining increase passive fractional resistance.
    But it's fine and I never bashed that thread even once infact I find it nice to help other newly players. I may seldom share infos I learned and I never expect any credit as well.
     
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    Komibii Professional Coochie Obtainer Elite Member

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    I leave for a month or two, then this happens. :(
     
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  19. BK

    BK The Best Elite Burger Known To Mankind Staff Member MODERATOR Elite Member Epic Member

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    Mhm i recall seeing the refining shield, armour, add. Gives fractional resistance too, i think alot of us knew about it but didn't speak of it unless someone asked whats the benefits of refining those 3 etc, i think i first found out back in 2015 its been so long and some probs found out before back in alpha tho i didnt heavily invest time in alpha myself, iruna is still #1 for me
     
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    Jbazt Into the Forsaken Realm of Consciousness Elite Member

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    Nah I can pretty much tell thats the first time members on that chat heard it and no infos on this forums as well. But I never think of getting credit from it coz there might be someone knew it too just not that vocal or active in a community I just tell it for the sake of confronted argument and to give justification on the reason why I'm refining to +S. But within this forum or in that chat, that's new to them.
    Irina sux. My account still up and gears still intact but no plans going back. :p
     
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