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Are dual swords weak?

Discussion in 'Dual Wield' started by SAM., Nov 6, 2018.

  1. SAM.

    SAM. Well-Known Member

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    In MMOs, I like classes that are versatile and strong when used creatively. I picked up DW hoping to trial and test its potential, but the problem is, I'm a beginner in this game. DW/S skills are the only skills I have experience with.

    Whenever I try to group for a boss, I feel mediocre. I have little experience with boss fights with other people, but when I do join one, it feels as if everyone does 900% more damage than me with little and quick effort. In addition, I feel mediore tanking given I have aggro (or I am just in melee range). Part of it is likely me needing to be more aware of boss mechanics and avoiding them, but I find it difficult/frusterating to practice. I have low'ish HP ~3500 + 3000 barrier and I find myself constantly in low HP waiting for the item cooldown to recharge. That is in a good senario, as often I find myself getting one shot from half HP (maybe that's how bosses are in this game? I don't use Reflex).

    Overall, it feels as if I don't do much damage, and my survivabily is also weak as DW. Again, I haven't tried out any other classes so maybe it's just how the game is in terms of difficulty? (Level 138 BTW).
     
  2. Airielle

    Airielle Well-Known Member

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    Others will deal more dmg than a DW class because of the Tier 4 skills they have. DW will get those soon.
    Its part of the grind XD that makes the game more interesting and challenging for me.
    Once you hit 150 you can recreate your dw with lvl 4 skills of the sword class. It might help you in dps and sustain.
     
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  3. Jbazt

    Jbazt Into the Forsaken Realm of Consciousness Elite Member

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    I partied with a dw on venena and his/her interpretation of dps dw suprised me. My hb can't beat it on atk rank even tho all my atks were properly prorated and I'm satisfied on my whack rng on every run.
    I think all class have the potential to be the best on their own way if you understood what you need to do. Unless player will resort the the use of mods which is plain stupid gaming imo
     
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  4. Quit toram

    Quit toram Left. Elite Member

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    Depends on: 1. Your equipments, 2. Your understanding of the game mechanics (proration, skill mechanics, etc), and 3. Your playstyle.

    Most important of all, is of course your playstyle. You need to time your attacks right so you don't get hit by the boss. Having Phantom Slash as the best invincibility skill really increases DW's survivability. You also have Cross Parry that can save you IF you time it right. Understanding boss patterns is also essential for every build. Equips are also important, but 1s should be decent enough. 2s weapon does make somewhat a difference, but is it worth your money? Not really (at least for me).
     
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    Jbazt Into the Forsaken Realm of Consciousness Elite Member

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    yeah maybe his/her equip are maxed out vs my outdated garb and 1slot add thats why the atk bar is close. and im not saying my HB is OP coz im new to this dps thing and i consider myself a newbee on the class. but on random parties its always 70/30 with 70% chance im the atker. i just didn't expect it came from a DW and that was the 1st time i experienced that too.
     
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  6. Yunan

    Yunan Not Enough Salt Elite Member

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    Playstyle is important alright, you also need to know the pros and cons of Dual swords, 2x ampr, stable proration, invincibility frame and instant movement skill that is shadow step are the perks of Dual wielders. I'd say its pretty damn good without its own Tier 4 skills and maybe its even better than other weapon classes with lvl 3 skills
     
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    It is kinda true that its easier to deal more damage with other classes, why? Because their mechanics are easier to master and understand compared to DW...
     
  8. メScye

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    Dual sword is naturally complex. Weakness or strength of this job will depend on the player. The ceiling of this job is so high but the flooring is so low too not unlike other jobs where in all you need to do is to stack cdmg and atk, do an impact > smite nuke, use mana pot and use all the buffs in this game in this game and spam.

    As a DW, there are so many things to consider and the peak of this job might break this game. when the majority of dw mains realize the breakpoint build of this class, it's really hard to nerf.
     
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    Lucifere Angel of Rebellion Elite Member

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  10. kucingHD

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    Dw is the most complete class.
     
  11. Kaisyl

    Kaisyl Elite Member Elite Member

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    DW is an extremely diverse play style that can prorate their own damage, generate MP quickly, has movement skills for escape and approach and sufficient AoE for adds in boss fights and mob grinding. The only downsides is that their defense is a bit weak due to evasion reliance and long auto attack.

    Some suggested combos:
    Flash Blast: Spinning Slash > Flash Blast (Save) > Shadow Step (Any Tag but save and consec) [1MP]
    Phantom Slash Nuke (/w Magic Skills): Impact > Phantom Slash (Smite) > Shadow Step (Consec) [4MP]
    Phantom Slash Nuke: Astute > Spinning Slash (Consec) > Shadow Step (Consec) > Phantom Slash (Smite) > Charging Slash (Consec) [5MP]
    Parry Defense: Cross Parry > Reflex (consec) [1MP]
     
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  12. kucingHD

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    Their defense is pretty much good, 1mp instant cast of cross parry that is better than chakra and 3mp(or 4?) Phantom slash that is better than zantei and magadachi combined.

    And also element from the sub-hand as an offense bonus. One huge dps skill with some amount of phys-pierce will fit in perfectly. (...next december, perhaps).
     
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    Ah right, my bad, forgot about phantom invincibility. Still, with all that, their only weakness is auto attack which I hope T4 cures them of.
     
  14. J.D.X.

    J.D.X. The King of Flies on His Throne of Lies Elite Member

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    Dw is the Yamcha of the bunch.
    o3o
     
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    メScye Well-Known Member

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    This is not a weakness, this is a mechanic that needs time to practice. This is the main reason too why DW has 2x ampr.
     
  16. Kaisyl

    Kaisyl Elite Member Elite Member

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    Whilst you auto attack, a red/blue zone can spawn under you. As a melee class, you are always close to the boss and during auto attack, you are immobile and cannot use skills to defend yourself. 2x AMPR is not enough to cover for this weakness/mechanic and to bypass it currently requires you abuse evasion/unsheathe attack for short animations.
     
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    That's why there's a mechanic called "Auto attack cancellation" to remedy this so called "weakness" if that's what you call it. Not everyone os capable of maneuvering or handling such mechanics tho, especially at clutch moments. And that's one of the reason too why this class is far from any other melee classes.
     
  18. Kaisyl

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    That's basically abusing evasion attack/unsheathe attack. Not a skill or mechanic.
     
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    What if I tell you that you can do this (cancel auto attacks) even if you're not using any of this evasion attack/unsheathe attack?
     
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