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Berserk or non berserk?

Discussion in '2-Hand' started by HeineR, May 7, 2019.

  1. HeineR

    HeineR Active Member

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    Which one is better dps? Berserk or non berserk?
     
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    Class?
     
  3. Komibii

    Komibii [TITLE] Elite Member

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    If you need more ASPD and/or CRT, then berserk should benefit you greatly. It also goes well with rampage because of how strong your auto attacks become.
     
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    Yunan Not Enough Salt Elite Member

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    Pure-damage wise, assuming you ald have decent aspd and critical rate. No berserk is better since it reduces your stability by 25%. Butt, if you are playing a carbuncle edge 2H, berserk+rampage would enhance your ampr greatly. Carb edge has 75 crit and 90% stability. With 200 dex, you would have 120% of total stability. Berserk has -25% stability which would make your final stability 95%. And that's a good tradeoff really.

    Edit: changed the 110% into 120% since for 2h, 1 dex gives 0.1 stability instead of 0.05
     
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    I was thinking about %100 stab berserk with carb edge. Thats why I asked. Btw is carb edge better than player anniv did anyone tried?
     
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    Yunan Not Enough Salt Elite Member

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    Carb is better
     
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    HeineR Active Member

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    Thanks. I am new to 2h, can u recommend any build? Or can I see ur build
     
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    Rly? I though carbuncle losed to a player statted 2h
     
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    Yunan Not Enough Salt Elite Member

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    Anniv sword is pretty outdated, it only have like 320 base atk or something. Carbuncle base atk should worth better overall, even in term of pure damage
     
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    No. The Cdmg boosts from player stats will easily outdo carbuncle.
     
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    how big is the outdo gap?
     
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    Yunan Not Enough Salt Elite Member

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    Hmm,
    255str=51% cdmg, cd7cd18 sword=32%cdmg. Cd7cd18 armor=32%cdmg.
    A total of 233% cdmg with sword's cdmg excluded.
    32%/233%=13.7% with about 20 weapon attack difference. With 200 dex's 20% stability, Anniv's 70%+20%=90%. 190%/2=95% average damage from stability(normal distribution). Carb edge would have 100% so there is a 5% difference of damage factor from stability. Used coryn stat sim here so I'm not sure about the accuracy, At +S with gwaimol+mardula they provide a pretty similar atk. I guess I overestimate the stability here. There is still about 9% final damage difference on player statted Anniv greatsword favor. So it was my mistake there.

    But, if you put the usage of berserk for the crit rate into perspective here, coupled with other atk% from the other gears and xtals...
    As carb edge has enough crit, there is no need for berserk hence no difference in the stability, still 100%
    Anniv greatsword would make your average damage from stability :
    (100%+65%)/2=82.5% vs carb edge's 100%
    That's 17.5% difference from stability, vs 13.7% advantage of anniv's cdmg. Atk% stat from xtals and other gears would make carb edge's high base atk even more potent.

    If you don't use berserk on Anniv sword, tho. 9% difference is pretty big, but I think the atk% stat from the xtals would reduce the difference for quite a margin. That's also if you can somehow get decent crit without berserk or crit xtals, fc18 and your base would give you 47 crit, 5 crit from crit up, 15 from bear hat would give you 67 crit, 10 from crit buff if you want to push it, you'd have 77crit. Then the rest you can do is to rely on astute's crit and hope the astute even lands. The there is meikyo shisui, youll easily exceed 100 crit but there is also the 5% crit damage penalty. I'm not sure if it was flat or its the same as gear stat tho. If its the same as gears stat, then at 255 str it should reduce your cdmg for about 10%. Then again with meikyo, a simple impact+meteor break wouldn't be possible.

    So tl;dr, player statted Anniv sword is better for about 9% if we solely talking about the sword. But my verdict is carb edge does better damage at +S and all atk% xtals considered. Element statted Anniv sword is easily better though. Do correct me if I made a mistake
     
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    Waiittt I thought stab could not exceed 100% like if you had 120% stab it would be cut down to 100% again and then the rest of the stab calculations would be factored
     
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    Just a little off topic this is for all off or just for 2h, I never saw info about this before
     
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    It gets calculated first, then cut down if there is excess stability.
     
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    all stats can exceed the cap. the excess won't take effect but is still used in calculations.

    having 2300 mp only counts as 2000, but you can hold 3 stacks of godspeedwield and still have 2000 mp instead of 1700.
     
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